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As rana pointed out, the original question I posted may not have been clear Artsapat Send a noteboard - 05/12/2013 02:45:42 PM

I suggested to start the game again, now that we've seen the event resolution, with the people who claim they can win without voting. This really intrigues me, and as was pointed out by others: it's curious that so many / more than 1 claim this.

Fanatic_Templar:

View original postMe, I already told you that my objectives don't require me to lynch anybody. And I'm not even a foreigner, so I don't even need to kill the Hippos in self-defence. Now, because I'm still town-aligned I tried to help you guys out, but if you think I'm going to drag you kicking and screaming to a lynch in this game, you may want to reevaluate the situation. I am totally fine with no-lynching all game long, this time.

ranagrande

View original postI am a survivor. So when FT said his role didn't explicitly require killing, that's what I immediately thought of. Two survivors would be unlikely, but I already suspect that we have some quirks in the game setup.

Taiga

View original postYes I got an objective, but there is no need for killing or lynching per se too...maybe that counts for all of us (that would certainly explain the almost permanent stalling of this game..)

Praziquantel

View original postI probably sound like a broken record at this point, but I have to agree. There's nothing that compels me to lynch someone and given that we haven't lost anyone at night either (while at the same time our town roles apparently got some info), I don't see the harm in another no lynch. (...) In any case, as far as I can tell, I have nothing to gain personally from eliminating any of them. So, like you, I am content with another no lynch in hopes that we will have some useful info/revelations tomorrow.

On the contrary, I don't claim a non-killing role. Bergioyn doesn't say, but his surprise at the type of game that would require no killing leads me to suspect he's not. Yunalesca is a Vampire, not a likely one for a Survivor, and definetely not for a no-killing role. (Didn't she already claim somewhere that she needed to kill? Can't find it anymore.) Maybe, since she's a reporter in-world, an ivestigative role. (Which makes me wonder: why wasn't she targeted/killed last night? She herself said she wasn't.) Beet also wanted to know more, and he suggested one option (will discuss below) which makes me feel he also doesn't claim no need to kill to win.

This leaves two we don't know yet: ? and Sacrilicious Toast. If they can chime in: please do.

So, without these two, and accepting my assumptions about Berg, Yuna and beet, we're now with 4 people who will likely have to kill to win (pro-Town this means: eliminate threats to town), 2 unknowns and 4 people who claim a victory condition that let's them win with nobody killed. Very high indeed.
What kind of roles can you have to win without Lynching or voting? beet made a rather intruiging suggestion, that besides a Survivor, a Cultist also can win without voting. Any more suggestions?

So, if we accept that either FT or rana is the Real Survivor (C) (and as rana poked at my question first, I'm more inclined to believe him), this means that Taiga and Praz are likely candidates to have lied.

May I also suggest that three of these four, namely rana, Taiga and Praz, plus one for which we do not know this yet (?), were also the ones visited by zombies? According to Praz's rough timeline Taiga was the first to have been visited, so maybe he was the one who sent him? As in: he could have been the one who sent out the zombie?
This could make sense: he had a dawn message, which stated something about a zombie, but saw that others (starting with rana, then Praz) claimed to have seen the zombie, then decided this puts him in a bigger company and claimed he only "saw" him, but was then caught out by the ladle.

(Nothing can be more profoundly Discworld, than that the final clue is a ladle, of all things... Pratchett would be proud.)

Undead are prime cultist material: vampires go around turning others into new vampires, zombies bite healthy people to turn them into other zombies (are they fast zombies, or are they slow zombies? I hope slow...) and I'm sure there are more examples.

Any more input would be helpful, but I'm going to start kicking things until something useful drops out of the tree:

Vote: Taiga.

The mystery deepens... I think. *MySmiley*
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Mafia 33: Discworld, Day 3 - Revenge of the Smith - 16/11/2013 07:06:48 AM 2263 Views
For clarification: was this a modkill? Or is it deliberately ambiguous? *NM* - 16/11/2013 07:11:15 AM 942 Views
Not a modkill - 16/11/2013 07:12:15 AM 1266 Views
Also not a self-kill - 19/11/2013 09:01:36 PM 1340 Views
Notes from Mod - 16/11/2013 07:11:43 AM 1381 Views
So, we finally have a Night Kill - 16/11/2013 08:07:47 PM 1404 Views
Re: So, we finally have a Night Kill - 17/11/2013 09:57:02 AM 1958 Views
Re: So, we finally have a Night Kill - 17/11/2013 01:41:07 PM 1550 Views
We have learned quite a bit. - 17/11/2013 05:11:02 PM 1473 Views
And we would by hypocopping what? - 17/11/2013 10:23:06 PM 1429 Views
Re: And we would by hypocopping what? - 18/11/2013 10:02:45 AM 1358 Views
The City-Watch group is what I also expected - 18/11/2013 02:09:37 PM 1302 Views
Re: The City-Watch group is what I also expected - 18/11/2013 09:43:00 PM 1363 Views
Oh man I am going to be so happy when we find and kill this thief. - 18/11/2013 11:58:26 PM 1317 Views
Did your hat do anything? - 19/11/2013 04:14:33 PM 1324 Views
No. - 20/11/2013 05:49:17 AM 1369 Views
+1 *NM* - 20/11/2013 10:14:22 AM 831 Views
Re: Mafia 33: Discworld, Day 3 - Revenge of the Smith - 18/11/2013 08:49:57 PM 1404 Views
They might get bonuses when a foreigner/Undead dies. *NM* - 18/11/2013 10:25:02 PM 803 Views
He was going to die anyway. *NM* - 19/11/2013 12:07:11 AM 802 Views
He might've been replaced. - 19/11/2013 06:23:52 AM 1312 Views
He might've, but NKing anybody else at least gave the chance of killing two birds with one stone. - 19/11/2013 08:34:38 AM 1468 Views
Yeah, it's just my best guess. - 19/11/2013 05:08:32 PM 1433 Views
There is another "Smith" in Discworld- the Wintersmith - 19/11/2013 06:08:28 PM 1337 Views
Wait so someone with a nightkill died? - 19/11/2013 07:00:58 PM 1342 Views
Well, Stephen was not part of an NK-group, - 19/11/2013 07:45:46 PM 1393 Views
Question [table] - 19/11/2013 08:22:57 PM 1440 Views
Re: Question [table] - 20/11/2013 03:52:56 AM 1265 Views
Was it the number 42? *NM* - 20/11/2013 10:17:13 AM 810 Views
...worst epiphany ever *NM* - 20/11/2013 03:54:39 PM 774 Views
My D3M said even less then F-T's...so nothing happened. *NM* - 20/11/2013 06:14:01 AM 804 Views
Same here... at least last night I got a message about that zombie. - 20/11/2013 10:36:49 AM 1331 Views
EBWOP - 20/11/2013 10:39:28 AM 1390 Views
Re: Question [table] - 20/11/2013 10:21:27 PM 1815 Views
Quiet tonight, I guess they realized I had nothing left to steal *NM* - 21/11/2013 04:02:44 AM 808 Views
Re: Question [table] - 21/11/2013 10:23:11 AM 1436 Views
Nothing happened to me. *NM* - 20/11/2013 12:43:58 AM 814 Views
Me neither. *NM* - 20/11/2013 09:56:13 AM 1176 Views
OK, so, Hypocop table. - 21/11/2013 07:22:03 PM 1457 Views
Beriogyn- Not Guilty *NM* - 21/11/2013 07:23:46 PM 797 Views
Artsapat - Not Guilty *NM* - 21/11/2013 08:21:16 PM 746 Views
I'm sorry, but as I mentioned, I already claimed being blocked - 21/11/2013 09:01:00 PM 1300 Views
I did not perform a Night Action to preserve Morale. *NM* - 21/11/2013 09:39:10 PM 788 Views
You know what surprises me? - 21/11/2013 11:58:00 PM 1342 Views
I suspect this whole confusion with life and reality thing may have been a roleblock attempt. *NM* - 22/11/2013 04:30:14 AM 783 Views
Oh yeah that would makes sense *NM* - 22/11/2013 07:01:27 PM 745 Views
Praziquantel-Not Guilty *NM* - 21/11/2013 11:53:48 PM 797 Views
Sacrilicious Toast - Guilty *NM* - 22/11/2013 12:17:32 AM 1555 Views
Re: Sacrilicious Toast - Guilty - 22/11/2013 07:08:27 PM 1423 Views
Praziquantel - Guilty *NM* - 22/11/2013 10:15:40 AM 835 Views
Bergioyn - not guilty *NM* - 22/11/2013 02:10:42 PM 745 Views
F-T -- Not Guilty *NM* - 28/11/2013 10:54:20 AM 840 Views
Event 3 - Revenge of the Smith - 24/11/2013 04:25:20 PM 1381 Views
So, does this tell us something about the groups in the game? - 24/11/2013 07:15:55 PM 1306 Views
How do you think we could hypocop this? *NM* - 25/11/2013 03:46:53 PM 742 Views
Depending on what type of outcome we each get... - 25/11/2013 06:40:26 PM 1297 Views
Reminder: Event Deadline Tuesday evening *NM* - 26/11/2013 05:22:09 PM 774 Views
Argh. I was travelling and completely forgot. *NM* - 27/11/2013 04:38:03 PM 742 Views
I haven't compiled them yet, you can still send *NM* - 27/11/2013 04:42:46 PM 769 Views
Event Resolution - 30/11/2013 09:08:54 AM 1342 Views
So, what did everyone pick? I chose option 5. *NM* - 30/11/2013 01:21:58 PM 841 Views
I picked option 3. *NM* - 30/11/2013 01:45:38 PM 1174 Views
And? What happened to you guys? - 30/11/2013 02:35:52 PM 1369 Views
Re: And? What happened to you guys? - 01/12/2013 07:24:53 PM 1957 Views
Hm, well that's something - 02/12/2013 08:49:17 AM 1238 Views
To add - 02/12/2013 08:52:39 AM 1358 Views
I helped capture the hippo (animal, not the terrorist) - 30/11/2013 03:21:44 PM 1314 Views
As did I. *NM* - 30/11/2013 06:04:57 PM 752 Views
Me too *NM* - 01/12/2013 06:37:52 PM 757 Views
Me too. Good work guys! *NM* - 02/12/2013 08:46:13 AM 767 Views
Re: So, what did everyone pick? I chose option 5. - 30/11/2013 09:50:30 PM 1328 Views
I chose Option 8. - 01/12/2013 03:13:49 AM 1319 Views
Re: Event Resolution - 02/12/2013 12:03:02 PM 1237 Views
I can confirm Yuna's version of events. Up to a point - 02/12/2013 01:20:46 PM 1390 Views
I honestly thought I'd be the only one doing it - 02/12/2013 03:53:32 PM 1299 Views
I didn't want to risk going after the wrong people. - 02/12/2013 06:37:41 PM 1299 Views
Re: I can confirm Yuna's version of events. Up to a point - 02/12/2013 07:20:43 PM 1341 Views
I followed the dwarf - 02/12/2013 09:24:25 PM 1416 Views
Re: I can confirm Yuna's version of events. Up to a point - 03/12/2013 01:07:12 PM 1256 Views
Re: I can confirm Yuna's version of events. Up to a point - 03/12/2013 11:12:29 AM 1230 Views
Re: I can confirm Yuna's version of events. Up to a point - 03/12/2013 11:12:33 AM 1257 Views
I'd like to hear some answers to Art's other question. *NM* - 04/12/2013 09:45:06 AM 769 Views
You mean the "people who don't need to lynch to win?" - 04/12/2013 02:42:55 PM 1273 Views
I just now saw that this posted as *NM* - 05/12/2013 09:55:38 AM 1455 Views
Good point, I'll repeat my question in a new post below *NM* - 05/12/2013 02:05:37 PM 1234 Views
Hah. I didn't even think to check *NM* - 05/12/2013 03:10:17 PM 668 Views
A random note on rock-paper-scissors - 25/11/2013 10:26:04 AM 1555 Views
ROFL! *NM* - 25/11/2013 05:41:05 PM 728 Views
Sorry for my absence - 28/11/2013 10:52:11 AM 1248 Views
I'm going to be busy for a while over the weekend - 29/11/2013 11:04:15 AM 1222 Views
I think we're waiting for the Event results. *NM* - 29/11/2013 07:00:32 PM 810 Views
As rana pointed out, the original question I posted may not have been clear - 05/12/2013 02:45:42 PM 1606 Views
Re: As rana pointed out, the original question I posted may not have been clear - 05/12/2013 06:23:45 PM 1319 Views
OK, sorry, I forgot - 06/12/2013 08:06:14 AM 1245 Views
I'm still not willing to roleclaim yet. - 06/12/2013 10:00:21 PM 1279 Views
Discworld zombies don't multiply that way though. They are simply dead who do not realise they are. - 05/12/2013 07:14:40 PM 1898 Views
Vampires (in Carpe Jugulum) do, though. - 06/12/2013 02:59:36 PM 1410 Views
Re: As rana pointed out, the original question I posted may not have been clear - 05/12/2013 08:18:51 PM 1628 Views
So: you're number FIVE? - 06/12/2013 08:49:14 AM 1258 Views
Re: So: you're number FIVE? - 06/12/2013 10:05:11 PM 1210 Views
I don't believe it either. - 07/12/2013 04:51:22 AM 1387 Views
Speaking of believability issues... - 07/12/2013 06:12:04 AM 1242 Views
Nice try. - 07/12/2013 07:40:18 AM 1315 Views
My link doesn't seem to work. - 07/12/2013 07:42:21 AM 1288 Views
Re: Nice try. - 07/12/2013 03:53:29 PM 1479 Views
I haven't even begun to try. - 08/12/2013 07:26:39 AM 1541 Views
Vote: ranagrande *NM* - 08/12/2013 06:11:36 PM 770 Views
Re: I haven't even begun to try. - 08/12/2013 06:13:18 PM 1272 Views
That was part of my reasoning - 08/12/2013 07:15:28 PM 1265 Views
Re: I haven't even begun to try. - 08/12/2013 07:29:57 PM 1341 Views
Re: I haven't even begun to try. - 08/12/2013 09:28:17 PM 1370 Views
Vote: ranagrande - 09/12/2013 02:36:49 PM 1360 Views
Re: Speaking of believability issues... - 07/12/2013 04:20:23 PM 1277 Views
Honestly I am torn. - 08/12/2013 02:18:33 AM 1253 Views
I do not claim this. - 05/12/2013 11:05:01 PM 1302 Views
Day 3 Deadline Friday the 13th - 06/12/2013 12:37:04 PM 1279 Views
RBIRL: meeting in Brussels - 08/12/2013 07:29:00 PM 1350 Views
Have a good trip - 09/12/2013 04:30:32 PM 1462 Views
Can I get a reminder on the role/character claims we have? - 09/12/2013 03:58:05 AM 1299 Views
No I haven't. - 09/12/2013 05:28:19 AM 1302 Views
You claimed to be a Survivor, though. - 10/12/2013 03:23:52 PM 1253 Views
Did I? Can you find a quote of that? - 10/12/2013 06:29:47 PM 1374 Views
Hah, I'm sorry. That's why I was asking for clarification. So, ok... - 11/12/2013 06:21:54 PM 1247 Views
Hmm... can I delay on answering that? - 11/12/2013 09:00:57 PM 1322 Views
But now I'm so curious... *NM* - 12/12/2013 12:49:56 AM 732 Views
Me neither - 09/12/2013 08:16:48 AM 1271 Views
If it's coming down to ranagrande vs. Taiga, I would like character and role claims from both *NM* - 10/12/2013 03:28:28 PM 853 Views
Can you tell me what are the reasons you're voting rana and/or Taiga? - 11/12/2013 04:30:31 PM 1244 Views
Mostly because those are the two people that have already been voted for, and we're near deadline - 11/12/2013 04:50:31 PM 1287 Views
Re: Mostly because .... - 11/12/2013 10:23:23 PM 1215 Views
Thanks! - 12/12/2013 12:49:32 AM 1409 Views
What is the case against Taiga? - 11/12/2013 07:33:02 PM 1319 Views
How awkward - 12/12/2013 01:57:31 PM 1284 Views
What? I haven't voted for you. - 12/12/2013 05:14:47 PM 1271 Views
sorry beet, my mistake. I was amazed by the votes *NM* - 13/12/2013 10:18:11 AM 735 Views
Vote Tracker - 09/12/2013 03:26:00 PM 1241 Views
Tuesday VNTL is 5 - 10/12/2013 12:53:12 PM 1268 Views
Thursday VNTL is 4, Deadline Friday (Vote Tracker Table) - 12/12/2013 01:57:34 PM 1307 Views
Correction: Thursday VNTL is 5, Deadline Friday (Vote Tracker Table) - 12/12/2013 02:00:28 PM 1267 Views
Nice timing. *NM* - 12/12/2013 10:24:02 PM 867 Views
Vote Tracker - 13/12/2013 01:59:42 PM 1205 Views
That said, since Taiga refuses to share info, Vote: Taiga - 13/12/2013 01:53:21 PM 1194 Views
Seems like a silly excuse - 13/12/2013 03:45:10 PM 1285 Views
Not really. - 13/12/2013 04:52:23 PM 1267 Views
Reaching for what? - 13/12/2013 05:46:34 PM 1316 Views
Also, does anyone have any idea why FT always capitalizes the word "Day?" I can't think of a reason *NM* - 13/12/2013 08:27:46 PM 740 Views
To distinguish game Days from real life days - 13/12/2013 09:30:40 PM 1255 Views
So, your argument is: - 13/12/2013 08:49:53 PM 1315 Views
Re: So, your argument is: - 13/12/2013 10:52:22 PM 1405 Views
Re: Not really. - 13/12/2013 09:43:30 PM 1536 Views
Woah that's like OMGUS without beet voting for you. - 13/12/2013 10:19:40 PM 1335 Views
Deadline Pending (Note) - 14/12/2013 01:46:55 AM 1206 Views
Twilight 3 - 14/12/2013 04:24:03 AM 1586 Views
I'll be RBIRL when we start day 4 - 21/12/2013 09:03:03 AM 1326 Views
I think most of us will - 22/12/2013 01:20:10 PM 1306 Views

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