Re: Perpetuates Hollywood's complete idiocy with respect to anything Russian.
Cannoli Send a noteboard - 08/05/2010 11:55:57 AM
Some examples of stupid rules:
1. Give characters South Slavic names (Serbian, Bulgarian etc.) instead of Russian ones. Whether it's Iron Man 2's Ivan Vanko or Rocky 4's Ivan Drago, neither name is Russian.
So it should be a good Russian name, like Sergei Eisenstein or Lev Bronstein? 1. Give characters South Slavic names (Serbian, Bulgarian etc.) instead of Russian ones. Whether it's Iron Man 2's Ivan Vanko or Rocky 4's Ivan Drago, neither name is Russian.
2. Give characters names by taking them from Russian writers. Dostoevsky, Chekhov (Star Trek) and Gogol (recurring James Bond KGB chief) and similar names are REALLY uncommon. It would be like Russians having all Americans in their movies named after famous Indian chiefs or something like that.
3. Give characters names that are otherwise historically important: Lenin, Romanov, Gorbachev. No one's named Lenin (it was a pseudonym) and the other two, while technically correct, are cheesy and overused.
4. Cast actors who don't even look remotely Russian (pretty much every major star in every movie).
It is the largest country in the world, covering seven time zones. I would imagine that just about anyone who isn't black could pass for some kind of "Russian." Though in the Dresden Files, the Russian character IS black. And he's part Kurdish, too. How does that Russian chick from the last Bond movie who plays hookers in Max Payne & Hitman "look" Russian? Or, you know, there are case like James Caan playing an Italian born to immigrants, Robert DeNiro playing Jewish & Irish gangsters, or Marlon Brando, whose three most famous roles were Terry Malloy, Stanley Kowalski & Vito Corleone. A celt, a slav & and a latin. I'm pretty sure he's also played a Mexican and possibly an Oriental. I recall some of my Hispanic classmates being pissed that a contemporary movie cast a bunch of Italians as Cubans. British people are routinely cast as Germans. It goes on and on, and considering that overall, Russia & its people have fared far better as the subject of movies than the USA,even during the Cold War, with most Cold War movies that I can recall going out of their way to make the Russians good guys or villains balanced by good guys, and much more reasonable or competant compared to the American "cowboy" types, this post strikes me as more of an attempt to show off your knowledge of Russia. 3. Give characters names that are otherwise historically important: Lenin, Romanov, Gorbachev. No one's named Lenin (it was a pseudonym) and the other two, while technically correct, are cheesy and overused.
4. Cast actors who don't even look remotely Russian (pretty much every major star in every movie).
5. Men must be evil, strong brutes bent on destroying America. Young women are hot KGB spies and old women are fat and stocky.
Considering most of the characters you reference date from when Russia was the primary enemy of the US, what would you expect? Compared to how they handle Muslims, this is picayune bull. And grossly inaccurate. As I noted above, even during the Cold War, Russians in general were well-treated as characters in movies and the USSR was portrayed in the best possible light for a totalitarian dictatorship, and unlike, say, Nazi Germany, good-guy Russian characters were not required to make a token denunciation of their nation's ideology before being allowed to be heroic. There were many good and believing communists and socialists who might decry their country's militarism or excesses, but rarely if ever, the inhuman, enslaving and materialistic ideology. And during the later years of the Cold War, I seem to recall most Russians being played by Mikhail Baryshnikov. Hardly a brute. 6. Incorrect accents are used (one of the worst - Pavel Chekhov from Star Trek).
7. They try to have the actors speak a few lines of Russian, which they usually botch so hideously Russian speakers have problems identifying what they were trying to say without reading the subtitles.
Considering that we are talking about a movie that probably made soldiers and physicists vomit, once again, picayune crap, that seems primarily posted to announce "Hey everyone, I speak Russian!" Indiana Jones aimed a weapon at the Ark of the Covenant that the Germans would not have for another five or six years. The tanks used in Patton had not been invented until ten years after the events in the movie. 7. They try to have the actors speak a few lines of Russian, which they usually botch so hideously Russian speakers have problems identifying what they were trying to say without reading the subtitles.
8. Russia itself rarely looks accurate (the older movies are worse in this respect, but several modern ones are pretty bad, too).
Been through a lot of secret criminal Russian labs and shady alleys where illicit passport deals are brokered, have you?9. They don't even try in Cyrillic. In the Bourne movies at one point they show a passport where they just typed English but switched the keyboard to Cyrillic. The result is equivalent to someone typing "qwyozxc lzxcvugglnxv" for a Latin alphabet passport.
Cannoli
"Sometimes unhinged, sometimes unfair, always entertaining"
- The Crownless
“Tolerance is the virtue of the man without convictions.” GK Chesteron
Deus Vult!
"Sometimes unhinged, sometimes unfair, always entertaining"
- The Crownless
“Tolerance is the virtue of the man without convictions.” GK Chesteron
Deus Vult!
Iron Man 2 discussion thread
05/05/2010 03:29:07 PM
- 788 Views
Perpetuates Hollywood's complete idiocy with respect to anything Russian.
07/05/2010 06:28:12 PM
- 465 Views
I don't imagine I need to tell you they do the same with most other cultures. *NM*
08/05/2010 01:03:22 AM
- 181 Views
I know. On the other hand, as movies become more global they should improve on that.
08/05/2010 04:32:09 AM
- 394 Views
Why don't they just do like Team America and Durka Durka their way through the language. *NM*
09/05/2010 05:56:14 PM
- 179 Views
Hollywood? Her character was named and introduced in Tales of Suspense in 1964.
08/05/2010 02:18:49 AM
- 412 Views
Yeah, because Hollywood invented Vanko, Natasha, and Chekhov.
*NM*
08/05/2010 04:39:37 AM
- 229 Views

Re: Perpetuates Hollywood's complete idiocy with respect to anything Russian.
08/05/2010 11:55:57 AM
- 612 Views
You bring up good points about Hollywood's idiocy generally. I don't disagree.
08/05/2010 02:12:10 PM
- 428 Views
Re: You bring up good points about Hollywood's idiocy generally. I don't disagree.
31/05/2010 07:08:36 AM
- 382 Views
insert Arab or Muslim where you have Russian and then you know how i feel. *NM*
11/05/2010 05:33:04 AM
- 179 Views
Or insert German and replace everything else in the rant with "they are Nazis!!!!111!!!1"
*NM*
05/06/2010 02:24:26 AM
- 166 Views

Re: Perpetuates Hollywood's complete idiocy with respect to anything Russian.
21/05/2010 06:41:04 PM
- 391 Views
Stupid villains. Really, really stupid villains.
08/05/2010 05:21:45 AM
- 440 Views
This was the same villain pattern as Batman 2
08/05/2010 11:20:53 AM
- 430 Views
Batman Returns or The Dark Knight?
08/05/2010 09:20:24 PM
- 395 Views
Re: Stupid villains. Really, really stupid villains.
09/05/2010 04:41:49 PM
- 422 Views
I didn't really mind Vanko wanting Stark dead, although it was pretty silly.
09/05/2010 05:29:32 PM
- 383 Views