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Re: Quite a crowded episode. snoopcester Send a noteboard - 20/06/2010 01:13:42 PM
Hmm. Yes. But isn't the jacket Doctor precisely the Doctor without the TARDIS?


He's not travelling in it himself, perhaps, but guiding it to where he needs it to go so as to get things set up correctly for himself later.

I like how Moffat put Autons so centrally. I watched a Confidential episode once where he and Tennant were geeking out about the Autons and how terrified they had been to go to shopping centres afterwards.


Yes, I liked them. It is the same with the Angels - they work well because they are things people see in everyday life made bad.

As for the seeing/not seeing thing. My best friend discussed this in a letter she sent me just a few days ago (oh, yes. We discuss Doctor Who in letters), and she pointed out how ubiquitous this theme of seeing/not seeing is in this series. I think the examples she gave were the angels (moving when you cannot see them), Vincent and the not only invisible but also blind monster, the perception filters and of course how the Doctor keeps missing things.


Geek:P The series has even doubled up on it - the Angels not only move when no one is looking but they used a perception filter to disguise themselves, the vampires in Venice almost had two layers - aliens disguised as vampires disguised as Venetian nobles.

Woman? Surely you mean Roman? :P


I'm going to pretend it was a witty reference to Life of Brian:P
(rather than it being late and drink related)

And I did not guess that it was Rory. I had written him off as dead until such time as Amy remembered him, which hadn't happened yet. He wasn't even on my radar. I thought it might be the other Doctor, or possibly someone else, but not Rory.


I'm still waiting for Rory to come back, I just don't think he is dead and gone for ever.

Indeed. I am terribly curious about what is going on.


Yes, it is interesting as well as it seems to suggest there is a mystery to be solved that is no where near the Pandorica - someone (River Song, I presume) needs to work out what is going on with the house. Unless the Doctor already has and just hasn't shared yet beneath a guise of not noticing?

Well, we know from Old Who that companions can fly the TARDIS, I think? No, wait. I think possibly it was controlled by the Master when they did. But still, not the Doctor. I am in the "Baddies are Stupid" camp for now.


There is a logical sense to what they say - I think in the past they said a Tardis could only be used by a Timelord or the attempted user would face dire results? So they could be working on the logic that only the Doctor can use it because the Doctor is the only remaining Timelord?

Now that is an interesting theory. I like it. What are the implications of that, though?


I've not got that far yet:P It might be something to do with how Amelia was compared to Amy - the baddies have used her memories to help create the trap, perhaps Amelia being a child would have the strength of imagination to use that against them? Though I tend to think it is something to do with the house - the Doctor seemed to make it central to the mystery surrounding her. I wonder if the Tardis left an "essence" there, after it exploded (hence too many rooms for the size of the house and the first crack being there, the first we saw anyway) - still don't know where that is going:P


Also, forgot to add last night but there has also been a theme of being trapped, I think, this series. There was the Doctors speech about how he was at his most deadly when he was trapped by the Angels. The Silurians had him trapped at one point (I think) and in the Lodger he was sort of trapped as well, twice in fact - once away from the Tardis and secondly when Craig had to touch the panel as the ship tried to force the Doctor to.
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/Doctor Who: "The Pandorica Opens" *spoilers* - 19/06/2010 09:24:45 PM 3103 Views
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that was.... interesting. *NM* - 19/06/2010 10:29:13 PM 1014 Views
Wow. - 20/06/2010 12:16:16 AM 1614 Views
A note on his speech. - 20/06/2010 02:04:42 AM 1563 Views
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Quite a crowded episode. - 20/06/2010 01:14:52 AM 1775 Views
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You had better watch it all again. - 20/06/2010 03:52:01 PM 1604 Views
So true. - 20/06/2010 03:53:32 PM 1696 Views
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The Silence - 20/06/2010 01:26:02 AM 1598 Views
Yeah, but what's the significance of that? - 20/06/2010 01:40:55 AM 1677 Views
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Yeah, but it's a commonly used metaphor. - 20/06/2010 03:50:33 PM 1653 Views
Plus of course the whole "Silence will fall" shebang from Prisoner Zero. *NM* - 21/06/2010 10:00:10 PM 997 Views
Could Prisoner Zero be the big bad? - 23/06/2010 02:10:38 PM 1564 Views
Also. - 20/06/2010 07:46:05 AM 1661 Views
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I did at the time - 20/06/2010 02:52:48 PM 1570 Views
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I think she had the best story arc of them all though. - 20/06/2010 05:27:25 PM 1574 Views
She did... the person playing her was the problem. - 20/06/2010 06:12:20 PM 1611 Views
Oooh. Potentially interesting thing from Confidential - 20/06/2010 10:02:27 AM 1541 Views
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The Greeks were nuts - 20/06/2010 01:32:40 PM 1507 Views
*minor spoiler for next season* - 20/06/2010 08:05:23 PM 1643 Views
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I feel that there is another party to all this - 20/06/2010 08:10:15 PM 1409 Views
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The voice in the TARDIS is the key - 20/06/2010 08:18:01 PM 1649 Views
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I have been wondering about that - 20/06/2010 10:48:30 PM 1647 Views
I've just discovered that iPlayer has the whole of this series available. - 20/06/2010 10:05:55 PM 1670 Views
Yes, they are devious - 20/06/2010 10:07:35 PM 1554 Views
I can still see them both. - 20/06/2010 10:24:08 PM 1617 Views
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Who can blame them? - 20/06/2010 10:31:38 PM 1565 Views
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I can't stop thinking there's still more to Amy. (Crazy speculation within.) - 20/06/2010 11:08:13 PM 1582 Views
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Here you go, about the house. - 20/06/2010 11:28:33 PM 1582 Views
It's not paranoia when they are really after you. - 20/06/2010 11:32:40 PM 1609 Views
Larger. - 20/06/2010 11:36:31 PM 1710 Views
You think Shada, I think... - 20/06/2010 11:31:13 PM 1815 Views
What book? - 20/06/2010 11:34:23 PM 1577 Views
It's kind of a big spoiler. - 20/06/2010 11:37:42 PM 1476 Views
Hmm - 20/06/2010 11:39:02 PM 1632 Views
Yes. *NM* - 20/06/2010 11:40:15 PM 1048 Views
*spoilers* - 20/06/2010 11:41:23 PM 1497 Views
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Re: I can't stop thinking there's still more to Amy. (Crazy speculation within.) - 20/06/2010 11:28:39 PM 1519 Views
Re: I can't stop thinking there's still more to Amy. (Crazy speculation within.) - 20/06/2010 11:33:43 PM 1528 Views
Indeed. - 22/06/2010 10:21:12 AM 1584 Views
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Re: the accent. - 22/06/2010 10:05:35 AM 1641 Views
More on that - 22/06/2010 04:10:50 PM 1545 Views
Doesn't everyone think that? - 21/06/2010 12:10:00 AM 1590 Views
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Elaborating on your crazy speculation... - 22/06/2010 10:14:14 PM 1573 Views
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Was "elaborating" the wrong word to use there? - 23/06/2010 12:00:09 AM 1577 Views
Nah - 23/06/2010 12:02:30 AM 1756 Views
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You have no idea what you are talking about, - 21/06/2010 11:53:19 AM 1547 Views
Short answer: - 21/06/2010 03:36:31 PM 1498 Views
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If Amy Pond is a trap. - 22/06/2010 11:43:34 PM 1532 Views
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That's what I assumed. - 23/06/2010 03:05:54 AM 1547 Views
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That is what I assumed it to be - 23/06/2010 08:22:13 AM 1412 Views
That's what I thought. The beginning of the Silence. *NM* - 23/06/2010 09:26:03 PM 987 Views
I assumed it was the ships "jumping" away, job done. *NM* - 23/06/2010 12:13:18 AM 991 Views
Since I don't agree with Camilla's logic - 23/06/2010 12:17:55 AM 1586 Views
Have you been drinking again? - 23/06/2010 12:37:45 AM 1607 Views
What REALLY annoys me about the episode - 23/06/2010 12:08:25 AM 1599 Views
I was bothered by the Cyberman - 24/06/2010 09:00:37 AM 1608 Views
True - 24/06/2010 09:48:22 AM 1609 Views
I don't recall the exact... - 25/06/2010 12:04:42 PM 1674 Views
Perhaps - 25/06/2010 04:07:29 PM 1532 Views
Apparently "someone very important is coming back". - 25/06/2010 11:58:26 AM 1572 Views
Amelia Pond, perchance? - 25/06/2010 03:03:15 PM 1540 Views
I suppose that it must have been. - 27/06/2010 11:46:58 PM 1692 Views
Another point I only just thought of. - 26/06/2010 01:21:49 PM 1550 Views
In fact, that makes a horrible sort of sense. - 26/06/2010 02:12:38 PM 1709 Views
Didn't the new Daleks travel back to "their own time", which implies time travel. - 26/06/2010 03:00:10 PM 1786 Views
I think ... - 26/06/2010 03:40:31 PM 1590 Views
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I think I read somewhere that the Dream Lord won't be coming back. - 26/06/2010 03:45:01 PM 1473 Views
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Something that bothers me about that... - 26/06/2010 08:30:27 PM 1509 Views
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