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Re: Quite a crowded episode. Camilla Send a noteboard - 20/06/2010 09:31:54 AM
Could it be that the jacket Doctor will save "our" Doctor in some way? Can the theory still be salvaged?

Sure - it would explain who has been messing with the Tardis all series.


Hmm. Yes. But isn't the jacket Doctor precisely the Doctor without the TARDIS?

No, Rory was a Nestene Auton, as were the rest of the Romans. We saw Amy shot - not the same as dead, perhaps... and it is worth bearing in mind for everything seen in this episode that a theme for this series that what is seen is rarely the reality.


I like how Moffat put Autons so centrally. I watched a Confidential episode once where he and Tennant were geeking out about the Autons and how terrified they had been to go to shopping centres afterwards.

As for the seeing/not seeing thing. My best friend discussed this in a letter she sent me just a few days ago (oh, yes. We discuss Doctor Who in letters), and she pointed out how ubiquitous this theme of seeing/not seeing is in this series. I think the examples she gave were the angels (moving when you cannot see them), Vincent and the not only invisible but also blind monster, the perception filters and of course how the Doctor keeps missing things.

I liked the Rory bit - it was too obvious it was him when it showed the Woman soldier volunteering.


Woman? Surely you mean Roman? :P
And I did not guess that it was Rory. I had written him off as dead until such time as Amy remembered him, which hadn't happened yet. He wasn't even on my radar. I thought it might be the other Doctor, or possibly someone else, but not Rory.

I didn't think it had actually exploded yet, just that it was on the verge of doing so. I presume that River Song still had her time travel device so was about to leap away... which leaves time for Doctor Mk 2 (assuming there is one) to unrig it and toddle off.

Quite a few things were thrown out there in this episode - Amy Pond is at the centre of a lot. Why did the Tardis go to her home? Why is it all seeming centred around her wedding, even though Rory is seemingly written from time? The Doctor also made an interesting comment about her house - something about it having too many rooms for the size of it. Strange girl from a strange house where nothing is what it first seems.


Indeed. I am terribly curious about what is going on.

The Doctor also seems to know he is skipping over important things, because he actually said so when he talked about the Amy centred strangeness.


Indeed.

The Tardis is an interesting one as well - the Baddies think they have got the Doctor worked out and trapped him. They also think the Doctor is the only person who can fly the Tardis - either they are right and River Song merely thought she was (Doctor Mk 2 made it look like she was) or they're just showing they don't know him and what abilities he has/ hasn't half as well as they think.


Well, we know from Old Who that companions can fly the TARDIS, I think? No, wait. I think possibly it was controlled by the Master when they did. But still, not the Doctor. I am in the "Baddies are Stupid" camp for now.

Over all though, I think it all goes back to Amy Pond and her mind... and the Doctor knows more than he is letting on - I wonder if his duck pond comment was a reference to the change from Amelia to Amy. She might now be Amy (after having grown up in a very dubious house with an absent aunt), like the duck pond is now just a pond, but she is still Amelia Pond to the Doctor, like the pond is a duck pond to the locals.


Now that is an interesting theory. I like it. What are the implications of that, though?
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