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Re: You make an interesting point *future spoilers* dacole Send a noteboard - 01/06/2011 02:50:26 AM
I think it will become a major point and I'm not to sure this fits with the people getting what they deserve. Remember that eventually the starks become pretty evil to, and we only know from the point of view of the winners anything about the old king...can they really be trusted as narrators?

People getting what they deserve is just my hope for the very end of the series I don't see characters like Cersei, Littlefinger, Theon or The Mountain surviving this. You can't write a book series for decades and then have an evil character get away with anything. Martin does a great job hiding it, but in the end he will make the right decisions about who is good and evil.

I also fail to see how the Starks become evil. Caitlyn has her self-righteous moments before and especially after her death, yes, but the kids are all great, even Arya, who is an assassin after all. For me the whole series is based on them getting revenge and redemption for everything that happened to their family in book one. Martin's not gonna stab them in the back anymore towards the end. Bran, Jon, Sansa and Arya are gonna be among the few winners when the dust settles.

It is pretty obvious to me at least that the white walkers can only be defeated by the dragons and Dany will eventually have to become queen, wether she deserves it or not. Her son is the prince that was promised after all.

Definitely. Although I see her teaming up with Jon for it.


I don't know. GRMM is a pretty big atheist and his philosophy seems to go toward the all people are evil just in different degrees. This may end up like the subtle knife with the people who take over later being just as evil just different. As for the starks being evil I refeer to the assisan and what cersi does after her death...I mean I can't wait to see how they are going to do the wedding feast scene in feast of crows..I mean even for HBO the blood count there is pretty high.

It freaked me out when I read it...putting the head of a wolf on a decapitated body...thats pretty grimm

But we will see this season how far they go I guess when Joffery is supposed to show sansa her fathers head...there is going to be so much hate for his little butt soon (where are they filiming this by the way...I wonder if the actor is going to get booed when he walks down the street .
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GoT 1.07 "You Win or You Die" (Early viewers thread) SPOILERS imlad - 24/05/2011 01:49:47 AM 1768 Views
Re: GoT 1.07 "You Win or You Die" (Early viewers thread) SPOILERS everynametaken - 24/05/2011 03:32:57 AM 1113 Views
Yes, I kind of like Cersei as well..... trzaska2000 - 24/05/2011 04:51:38 AM 961 Views
And who turned Joffrey into that little douche? Legolas - 24/05/2011 11:15:05 PM 1211 Views
Robert? scalius - 25/05/2011 10:04:09 PM 904 Views
his mother... aragornital - 28/05/2011 02:39:40 PM 900 Views
They already are trying to blame her (in the show) nossy - 02/06/2011 02:23:08 PM 907 Views
Holy Crap was that ending perfect....."I did warn you not to trust me" - trzaska2000 - 24/05/2011 04:40:33 AM 974 Views
Strange... This is the first episode that disappointed me A Deathwatch Guard - 30/05/2011 09:09:20 AM 918 Views
I see your point but disagree Bramhodoulos - 30/05/2011 09:20:23 AM 871 Views
I agree, those scenes were very necessary..... trzaska2000 - 30/05/2011 05:01:06 PM 729 Views
Hmhm yes and no Bramhodoulos - 30/05/2011 05:07:52 PM 835 Views
You know, GRRM likely was very supportive of the scene..... trzaska2000 - 30/05/2011 05:10:58 PM 772 Views
Maybe, but GRRM isn't God and I allow myself to have a differing opinion *NM* Bramhodoulos - 30/05/2011 05:13:14 PM 394 Views
Brothels are a way of life in this epic story and play an important role. *NM* everynametaken - 31/05/2011 02:32:25 AM 443 Views
No they don't. Chas - 31/05/2011 11:08:36 PM 808 Views
Apparently you haven't read the books because they are all over in them. *NM* everynametaken - 31/05/2011 11:45:58 PM 369 Views
Afer reading your profile, you did read the books, but missed all the brothels in them. *NM* everynametaken - 31/05/2011 11:47:51 PM 407 Views
I recall the brothels Chas - 01/06/2011 12:56:32 AM 936 Views
It's HBO, it's GRRM, what do you expect? trzaska2000 - 01/06/2011 01:31:51 AM 761 Views
HBO has made some fantastic shows. Chas - 01/06/2011 10:39:44 PM 774 Views
The stuff Littlefinger said was really important and needed to be in there. Darth_Katie - 04/06/2011 07:13:41 PM 821 Views
Question about Tywin/the books.....SPOILERS trzaska2000 - 30/05/2011 05:03:40 PM 787 Views
What I remember from the books.....SPOILERS Bramhodoulos - 30/05/2011 05:11:27 PM 784 Views
Re: Question about Tywin/the books.....SPOILERS Chas - 31/05/2011 11:15:37 PM 797 Views
Agreed! Another awesome epside! ironclad - 30/05/2011 10:04:59 PM 1050 Views
One other thing to think/worry about..... trzaska2000 - 30/05/2011 11:04:47 PM 867 Views
You can't stay away from spoilers, can you? ironclad - 30/05/2011 11:59:39 PM 819 Views
Re: You can't stay away from spoilers, can you? dacole - 31/05/2011 05:49:33 AM 748 Views
There will be lots of white-walker stuff in season 3 (spoilers in case you don't get it) Bramhodoulos - 31/05/2011 08:54:13 AM 973 Views
You make an interesting point *future spoilers* ironclad - 31/05/2011 10:47:29 AM 921 Views
Re: You make an interesting point *future spoilers* imlad - 31/05/2011 01:21:06 PM 825 Views
Wow, that would be a bitching ending..... trzaska2000 - 31/05/2011 04:29:49 PM 764 Views
If imlad is right, I am pretty sure.. ironclad - 31/05/2011 04:38:32 PM 784 Views
heh? everynametaken - 31/05/2011 11:50:10 PM 863 Views
I figure there is a way out of that imlad - 01/06/2011 12:01:08 PM 713 Views
Re: heh? Chas - 01/06/2011 10:41:47 PM 728 Views
Re: You make an interesting point *future spoilers* dacole - 01/06/2011 02:50:26 AM 940 Views
Yup, love my spoilers! trzaska2000 - 31/05/2011 04:25:34 PM 690 Views
I've been thinking about that nossy - 02/06/2011 02:33:30 PM 810 Views
The problem I have with it is the heavy handedness of some scenes snoopcester - 31/05/2011 12:14:13 PM 826 Views
Is that because you know the books/story..... trzaska2000 - 31/05/2011 04:27:38 PM 758 Views
It might be snoopcester - 31/05/2011 04:37:03 PM 850 Views
Agreed, and this is probably the cause, at least in part, of a lot of my complaints above A Deathwatch Guard - 31/05/2011 07:17:34 PM 790 Views
Re: Agreed, and this is probably the cause, at least in part, of a lot of my complaints above snoopcester - 31/05/2011 08:58:44 PM 733 Views
What did Littlefinger do in the book.....how did the final scene of the episode go down? trzaska2000 - 31/05/2011 09:19:18 PM 759 Views
Re: What did Littlefinger do in the book.....how did the final scene of the episode go down? Chas - 31/05/2011 11:13:35 PM 793 Views
Baelish did put a dagger to Ned's throat imlad - 01/06/2011 12:06:42 PM 746 Views
I stand corrected. *NM* Chas - 01/06/2011 10:35:49 PM 399 Views
Ah, my mistake... kinda A Deathwatch Guard - 01/06/2011 03:58:46 AM 776 Views
haha nossy - 02/06/2011 02:34:43 PM 927 Views
I assume at some point they are going to tie the two story lines together? random thoughts - 01/06/2011 02:43:12 PM 695 Views
Well....(small spoiler) scalius - 01/06/2011 04:39:47 PM 755 Views
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