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Re: You make an interesting point *future spoilers* dacole Send a noteboard - 01/06/2011 02:50:26 AM
I think it will become a major point and I'm not to sure this fits with the people getting what they deserve. Remember that eventually the starks become pretty evil to, and we only know from the point of view of the winners anything about the old king...can they really be trusted as narrators?

People getting what they deserve is just my hope for the very end of the series I don't see characters like Cersei, Littlefinger, Theon or The Mountain surviving this. You can't write a book series for decades and then have an evil character get away with anything. Martin does a great job hiding it, but in the end he will make the right decisions about who is good and evil.

I also fail to see how the Starks become evil. Caitlyn has her self-righteous moments before and especially after her death, yes, but the kids are all great, even Arya, who is an assassin after all. For me the whole series is based on them getting revenge and redemption for everything that happened to their family in book one. Martin's not gonna stab them in the back anymore towards the end. Bran, Jon, Sansa and Arya are gonna be among the few winners when the dust settles.

It is pretty obvious to me at least that the white walkers can only be defeated by the dragons and Dany will eventually have to become queen, wether she deserves it or not. Her son is the prince that was promised after all.

Definitely. Although I see her teaming up with Jon for it.


I don't know. GRMM is a pretty big atheist and his philosophy seems to go toward the all people are evil just in different degrees. This may end up like the subtle knife with the people who take over later being just as evil just different. As for the starks being evil I refeer to the assisan and what cersi does after her death...I mean I can't wait to see how they are going to do the wedding feast scene in feast of crows..I mean even for HBO the blood count there is pretty high.

It freaked me out when I read it...putting the head of a wolf on a decapitated body...thats pretty grimm

But we will see this season how far they go I guess when Joffery is supposed to show sansa her fathers head...there is going to be so much hate for his little butt soon (where are they filiming this by the way...I wonder if the actor is going to get booed when he walks down the street .
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GoT 1.07 "You Win or You Die" (Early viewers thread) SPOILERS imlad - 24/05/2011 01:49:47 AM 1745 Views
Re: GoT 1.07 "You Win or You Die" (Early viewers thread) SPOILERS everynametaken - 24/05/2011 03:32:57 AM 1089 Views
Yes, I kind of like Cersei as well..... trzaska2000 - 24/05/2011 04:51:38 AM 939 Views
And who turned Joffrey into that little douche? Legolas - 24/05/2011 11:15:05 PM 1186 Views
Robert? scalius - 25/05/2011 10:04:09 PM 881 Views
his mother... aragornital - 28/05/2011 02:39:40 PM 878 Views
They already are trying to blame her (in the show) nossy - 02/06/2011 02:23:08 PM 888 Views
Holy Crap was that ending perfect....."I did warn you not to trust me" - trzaska2000 - 24/05/2011 04:40:33 AM 949 Views
Strange... This is the first episode that disappointed me A Deathwatch Guard - 30/05/2011 09:09:20 AM 890 Views
I see your point but disagree Bramhodoulos - 30/05/2011 09:20:23 AM 848 Views
I agree, those scenes were very necessary..... trzaska2000 - 30/05/2011 05:01:06 PM 707 Views
Hmhm yes and no Bramhodoulos - 30/05/2011 05:07:52 PM 812 Views
You know, GRRM likely was very supportive of the scene..... trzaska2000 - 30/05/2011 05:10:58 PM 752 Views
Maybe, but GRRM isn't God and I allow myself to have a differing opinion *NM* Bramhodoulos - 30/05/2011 05:13:14 PM 387 Views
Brothels are a way of life in this epic story and play an important role. *NM* everynametaken - 31/05/2011 02:32:25 AM 434 Views
No they don't. Chas - 31/05/2011 11:08:36 PM 790 Views
Apparently you haven't read the books because they are all over in them. *NM* everynametaken - 31/05/2011 11:45:58 PM 360 Views
Afer reading your profile, you did read the books, but missed all the brothels in them. *NM* everynametaken - 31/05/2011 11:47:51 PM 398 Views
I recall the brothels Chas - 01/06/2011 12:56:32 AM 917 Views
It's HBO, it's GRRM, what do you expect? trzaska2000 - 01/06/2011 01:31:51 AM 738 Views
HBO has made some fantastic shows. Chas - 01/06/2011 10:39:44 PM 744 Views
The stuff Littlefinger said was really important and needed to be in there. Darth_Katie - 04/06/2011 07:13:41 PM 803 Views
Question about Tywin/the books.....SPOILERS trzaska2000 - 30/05/2011 05:03:40 PM 765 Views
What I remember from the books.....SPOILERS Bramhodoulos - 30/05/2011 05:11:27 PM 766 Views
Re: Question about Tywin/the books.....SPOILERS Chas - 31/05/2011 11:15:37 PM 776 Views
Agreed! Another awesome epside! ironclad - 30/05/2011 10:04:59 PM 1027 Views
One other thing to think/worry about..... trzaska2000 - 30/05/2011 11:04:47 PM 842 Views
You can't stay away from spoilers, can you? ironclad - 30/05/2011 11:59:39 PM 797 Views
Re: You can't stay away from spoilers, can you? dacole - 31/05/2011 05:49:33 AM 726 Views
There will be lots of white-walker stuff in season 3 (spoilers in case you don't get it) Bramhodoulos - 31/05/2011 08:54:13 AM 952 Views
You make an interesting point *future spoilers* ironclad - 31/05/2011 10:47:29 AM 900 Views
Re: You make an interesting point *future spoilers* imlad - 31/05/2011 01:21:06 PM 803 Views
Wow, that would be a bitching ending..... trzaska2000 - 31/05/2011 04:29:49 PM 744 Views
If imlad is right, I am pretty sure.. ironclad - 31/05/2011 04:38:32 PM 761 Views
heh? everynametaken - 31/05/2011 11:50:10 PM 843 Views
I figure there is a way out of that imlad - 01/06/2011 12:01:08 PM 697 Views
Re: heh? Chas - 01/06/2011 10:41:47 PM 706 Views
Re: You make an interesting point *future spoilers* dacole - 01/06/2011 02:50:26 AM 924 Views
Yup, love my spoilers! trzaska2000 - 31/05/2011 04:25:34 PM 674 Views
I've been thinking about that nossy - 02/06/2011 02:33:30 PM 792 Views
The problem I have with it is the heavy handedness of some scenes snoopcester - 31/05/2011 12:14:13 PM 804 Views
Is that because you know the books/story..... trzaska2000 - 31/05/2011 04:27:38 PM 740 Views
It might be snoopcester - 31/05/2011 04:37:03 PM 823 Views
Agreed, and this is probably the cause, at least in part, of a lot of my complaints above A Deathwatch Guard - 31/05/2011 07:17:34 PM 762 Views
Re: Agreed, and this is probably the cause, at least in part, of a lot of my complaints above snoopcester - 31/05/2011 08:58:44 PM 710 Views
What did Littlefinger do in the book.....how did the final scene of the episode go down? trzaska2000 - 31/05/2011 09:19:18 PM 737 Views
Re: What did Littlefinger do in the book.....how did the final scene of the episode go down? Chas - 31/05/2011 11:13:35 PM 772 Views
Baelish did put a dagger to Ned's throat imlad - 01/06/2011 12:06:42 PM 726 Views
I stand corrected. *NM* Chas - 01/06/2011 10:35:49 PM 390 Views
Ah, my mistake... kinda A Deathwatch Guard - 01/06/2011 03:58:46 AM 746 Views
haha nossy - 02/06/2011 02:34:43 PM 909 Views
I assume at some point they are going to tie the two story lines together? random thoughts - 01/06/2011 02:43:12 PM 671 Views
Well....(small spoiler) scalius - 01/06/2011 04:39:47 PM 739 Views
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