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Re: This. Very much. DomA Send a noteboard - 28/02/2012 11:27:02 PM
If anything, Maul was "too cool".
Or too much of a blank slate on which the audience could project their impressions of a great villain. I have never heard a reason WHY he is supposed to be such a great villain. I think he's much like the Fetts in that way.

Definitely. That's the power of all Lucas' villains but Vader, to an extent (that is, between 1977-1983.. ROTJ fleshed out Vader quite a bit). Lucas has always been great at creating instantly iconic, B-movie villains that he let the audience flesh out as they wish. As soon as they appear, the audience fall in love with those villains. Vader, Fett, Maul, Palpatine. He let the design team go a bit over the top with Maul. Lucas tamed their enthusiasm for episode 2, some of them had created all these uber-cool new sith apprentices beforehand, Lucas arrived with his script and Count Dooku (he wanted a return to the Peter Cushing type of character from ANH - that's why he went and cast his friend/colleague Lee who had the same background). Lucas had to remind the design team that the uber-sith apprentice had to remain Darth Vader, the guys were more obsessed with bringing him creations that would top Darth Maul.

The sheer scope and realism of Lucas' vision, and the amazing level of technical ability to convey it all visually, raised the expectations of the other aspects (in which Lucas seemed much less interested) unreasonably.


The visual aspect drove Lucas a lot for sure. It's not only the VFX, there's a great deal of visual subtleties in the series, like a great deal of symbolic work with colours. Lucas came from an experimental filmaking background, and it's still present in his approach. He saw SW as a space opera hybrid of popular samurai movies (which he was a fan of, though they were very little known outside cinephile circles back then) and westerns.

Lucas eventually got caught up in the story and the mythological aspects, however. That the mythological aspects worked was something he didn't compromised on after he got Campbell's imprimatur and had this "SW: The Power of Myth" exhibition sponsored by LFL travelling museums around the world and trying to show to the more educated people an certain image of the saga. Lucas can be a bit vain. Originally he was saying SW was just for fun, but back around the time of ESB, after Campbell told Moyer in an interview that for him SW was the perfect modern myth and that it was the reason for its success, Lucas suddenly got interested to present SW has something that ran deeper than just pure entertainment or a VFX fiesta.

I have no problem accessing my inner 7-10 year old, so maybe that's why I like them.

That's it, precisely. I was that age when ANH came out, and a huge fan, but afterward I left it behind as something from childhood and I re watched it for nostalgia's sake, much the same way as E.T. or Disney movies.

I didn't get hyped by the Phantom Menace. I saw the trailer once, didn't build up expectations. I went to see it weeks after the release when the crowds would be smaller. I wanted Lucas to transport me back to when I was 7, and he didn't disappoint.

The prequels movie got very good reviews from nearly everyone who reviewed them as movies for kids.

And the real testimony to the success of the prequels is the fact their popularity endures just like the OT back in the day. Ask any elementary school teacher what their boys are really into these days, and Star Wars is still in the top five and often the first answer of the teachers I've asked (my brother was telling me two days ago his 8 y.o. were all excited that last week-end they'd go see TPM in a theater and in 3D), and it's not for lack of competition. It's because the "Lucas magic" still works with his target audience just as much as it did back in the 80s.

One thing people also have long forgotten. The SW bashing is nothing new. All the movies got their fair share of atrocious reviews (and detractors) back then, and they're very little different from the bad reviews the prequels got, attacking the movies for the very same things... thin plot with tons of holes, weird structure (that was for ESB), shallow characters, atrocious dialogue, immature humour and terrible acting. One dimension that didn't get any attention was the fact the actors played on blue screen, as back then people had very little idea how the VFX were done.

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What if Episode 1 was good? - 28/02/2012 05:11:40 AM 992 Views
thank you. this is awesome. *NM* - 28/02/2012 05:47:36 AM 292 Views
He has some good points - 28/02/2012 11:32:49 AM 512 Views
Which were which? *NM* - 28/02/2012 02:46:40 PM 203 Views
Talking people are annoying, especially when their first idea is stupid - 28/02/2012 01:51:50 PM 525 Views
Errrr you're not really addressing the video - 28/02/2012 02:55:46 PM 631 Views
Re: Errrr you're not really addressing the video - 28/02/2012 04:22:16 PM 663 Views
This. Very much. - 28/02/2012 06:54:00 PM 469 Views
Re: This. Very much. - 28/02/2012 11:27:02 PM 545 Views
Because 7-10 year olds are really into trade regulation? - 28/02/2012 07:42:43 PM 395 Views
Qui-Gon is the protagonist if you absolutely need one (though I don't know why you do) - 28/02/2012 10:59:23 PM 448 Views
Eh. It wasn't much of an "ensemble," either - 29/02/2012 06:23:23 PM 518 Views
You don't really need character development either - 29/02/2012 07:56:09 PM 512 Views
Re: Because 7-10 year olds are really into trade regulation? - 29/02/2012 12:16:51 AM 456 Views
Well said - 29/02/2012 08:39:36 AM 506 Views
Re: Well said - 02/03/2012 04:51:49 PM 490 Views
Re: Because 7-10 year olds are really into trade regulation? - 29/02/2012 06:33:07 PM 400 Views
Actually, I didn't get that far. The guy annoyed me so much I shut it off after the last point - 28/02/2012 06:45:43 PM 493 Views
Hah, I do! - 28/02/2012 07:55:52 PM 393 Views
Now I want Facebook posts for WoT - 29/02/2012 07:47:31 PM 562 Views
I just hate beets - 01/03/2012 05:18:41 PM 428 Views
Who here thinks they could make a better Episode I ? - 06/03/2012 06:43:58 PM 397 Views
Of course they'd all raise their hands - 07/03/2012 12:34:30 PM 433 Views
The point was that there's nothing special about this guy. - 08/03/2012 01:02:32 AM 463 Views

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