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No, Etzel... Shannow Send a noteboard - 07/07/2010 01:03:20 PM
That Demandred will let Roedran attack Andor at basically the same time, when the Trollocs will attack the Borderlands, possibly supported by Taim's cronies & other DF. Bryne told in the books that Murandy could muster a significant army, and it fits with Demandred's statement that he is gathering for war and will be ready (Taim's cronies were already gathered!). This move will help to create more chaos and strife among humankind and prevents united Westlands (which Rand has to achieve).

Fain is probably just hunted by the Super Darkhound Pack (and likely Slayer) and will be killed soon (this scene will probably told by Slayer, who will then reveal that he killed the traitor Asmo as well). Fain's wildcard role is played, IMO. To give Fain yet another power base that late in the story doesn't make much sense.


Sanderson said that Demandred's identity is the biggest mystery in the series and that it would pay off in the end.

Demandred launching a mediocre army from a mediocre nation against the Light will hardly be impressive.

The nations infiltrated by all the other Forsaken generals - Be'lal, Sammael, Rah'vin and even Semirhage were all more powerful than Murandy. It does not make sense that the most accomplished and most arrogant Forsaken general of all would take Murandy as his base of power.

50 000 Murandians will mean very little compared to 20 million Trollocs, the combined Seanchan armies that Semirhage was trying to control or the Dark Ashaman under Taim.

I still believe that the Shadow will have need of a powerful, organised and channeling capable military force to truly threaten the Light in the Last Battle.

The Seanchan would have been the perfect tool in this regard, and their strictly authoritarian society even made for a plausible scenario under which they could have served the Shadow. I think RJ missed a beat by letting the Shadow lose the Seanchan.

In my view, Demandred HAS to bring something of similar strength to the table. Shara or an army of mad channelers from the Isle of the Madmen would still be my most optmistic answer.

But failing those two, the Black Tower will have to do.

Murandy? Inconsequential in the bigger scheme of things.
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If Demandred isn't Roedran (or controlling Roedran) Deadsy - 07/07/2010 10:08:19 AM 1654 Views
Others suggest... Etzel - 07/07/2010 10:31:33 AM 725 Views
Re: Others suggest... Deadsy - 07/07/2010 10:46:31 AM 596 Views
Yeah... Etzel - 07/07/2010 11:03:21 AM 635 Views
Re: Yeah... DomA - 07/07/2010 12:58:04 PM 726 Views
The thing is... Etzel - 07/07/2010 01:30:11 PM 567 Views
Re: The thing is... Sidious - 07/07/2010 03:24:34 PM 479 Views
As said... Etzel - 07/07/2010 03:56:20 PM 518 Views
Re: The thing is... LoialT - 07/07/2010 04:27:11 PM 468 Views
I think Etzel - 08/07/2010 09:00:46 AM 582 Views
It all began.... DomA - 07/07/2010 11:49:39 AM 758 Views
The idea is... Etzel - 07/07/2010 12:39:19 PM 565 Views
Lol. So Slayer is the easy solution to every single mysterious death in the series? Dull as hell *NM* Lordling - 07/07/2010 12:57:12 PM 218 Views
Well, it's his job after all, thus a logical solution. *NM* Etzel - 07/07/2010 01:18:52 PM 226 Views
No, Etzel... Shannow - 07/07/2010 01:03:20 PM 605 Views
I disagree... Etzel - 07/07/2010 01:18:11 PM 538 Views
And besides... Etzel - 07/07/2010 01:49:04 PM 543 Views
Fain and Slayer RandAllThor - 07/07/2010 08:47:48 PM 513 Views
Fain playing a significant role in the LB would too much allude to LotR, IMO. *NM* Etzel - 07/07/2010 11:28:29 PM 498 Views
As would Moiraine returning. fionwe1987 - 08/07/2010 02:13:25 AM 571 Views
It depends on Fain's role... Etzel - 08/07/2010 08:34:27 AM 430 Views
But what does "wildcard" really mean? RandAllThor - 08/07/2010 03:19:16 PM 442 Views
for a long time i thought shara and their tattooed channeles. nigelgoboom - 09/07/2010 05:24:16 PM 450 Views
I agree. I think this refers to The Great Battle done but the world not yet done with battle RugbyPlayingAshaman - 07/07/2010 04:07:05 PM 464 Views
Fain doesn't make sense from a timing stand point darius_sedai - 07/07/2010 04:46:00 PM 491 Views
Indeed... Etzel - 08/07/2010 08:42:45 AM 456 Views
agreed darius_sedai - 09/07/2010 05:56:23 PM 423 Views
One reason the Murandy-New SL theory makes sense... fionwe1987 - 07/07/2010 07:19:56 PM 449 Views
That's most likely just coincidence. *NM* Etzel - 07/07/2010 11:30:00 PM 214 Views
Riiiight... because WoT is chock full of coincidences. fionwe1987 - 08/07/2010 02:12:47 AM 428 Views
In any case... Etzel - 08/07/2010 08:31:19 AM 477 Views
Re: That's most likely just coincidence. scooter - 08/07/2010 02:13:36 AM 458 Views
They followed Fain all the way to Caemlyn and shot arrows at Rand Deadsy - 08/07/2010 04:21:14 AM 424 Views
Yeah, I agree, Roedran isn't under Fain's control. *NM* Etzel - 08/07/2010 08:38:15 AM 306 Views
Re: It all began.... echooff - 08/07/2010 12:11:02 PM 425 Views
Murandy just doesn't fit Demandred. Also, Sammael could have been wrong. Logain - 07/07/2010 07:57:19 PM 685 Views
Here's another possibility scooter - 08/07/2010 02:21:25 AM 523 Views
Another possibility for Demandred Narg - 08/07/2010 03:20:27 AM 441 Views
Sammael probably refered to the Dragonswron in the south of the Westlands... Etzel - 08/07/2010 08:37:04 AM 396 Views
What if Demandred's base is... entyti - 08/07/2010 04:52:40 AM 470 Views
my problem with this Deadsy - 08/07/2010 04:59:35 AM 458 Views
Well, I tend to agree with you entyti - 09/07/2010 12:27:04 AM 413 Views
I actually think he only made the island to poke fun at Australia *NM* Deadsy - 09/07/2010 05:13:25 AM 226 Views
I doubt that you could that easily control the Madmen. *NM* Etzel - 08/07/2010 08:44:42 AM 191 Views
Unlikely... maybe even impossible Sidious - 08/07/2010 10:14:24 AM 446 Views
Definitely possible. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 08/07/2010 02:06:57 PM 439 Views
Now here's a man with... vision! entyti - 09/07/2010 12:24:13 AM 416 Views
not really darius_sedai - 10/07/2010 12:25:31 PM 423 Views
That's factually incorrect entyti - 12/07/2010 12:41:48 AM 458 Views
yes, factually incorrect by you Sidious - 12/07/2010 08:02:23 AM 479 Views
darius_sedai - 12/07/2010 04:40:45 PM 411 Views
I think Lanfears' estimation is incorrect. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 13/07/2010 04:15:44 PM 450 Views
this is why i keep thinkin shara, with their tattoed pedigrees for channelers. *NM* nigelgoboom - 12/07/2010 02:17:53 AM 190 Views
Re: this is why i keep thinkin shara, with their tattoed pedigrees for channelers. scooter - 13/07/2010 04:20:19 AM 411 Views
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