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Martin is nuts! The characters... CatherineSedai Send a noteboard - 08/07/2010 07:55:22 AM

What I wouldn't have given for a chief villain with Tywin Lannister's ruthlessnes and strategic pragmatism. Demandred would have been such a villain.

Instead, we got Mellisandre as the chief villain. A raving, frothing at the mouth fanatical lunatic.


Man, ol'George is a crazy ba$**** isn't he? I love his villains. RJ's villains still served their purpose though. I don't laugh at them...

Consider that the things Egwene, Elayne, Nynaeve, are doing - the AoL stuff.

Also consider: The Breaking happened 3500 years ago in WoT.

IRL, ALL of known human history is only 5000 years old, even though we have proof of human existence as far back as 100,000 years.

This is more amazing than any of us give it credit for. Imagine if Magic were a real force and someone suddenly started doing things nobody had seen since 1500 years before Jesus Christ.

We got used to having Protagonists with way-above-average power and way out-there abilities. The Wheel wove these extraordinary people into a fairly close-knit web with it's ta'veren champion to, I assume, aid him. This is no coincidence, but it seems so commonplace to us that we don't think much about it. (I think it's noteworthy to point out that RJ brought the most powerful people in the World together so subtly that we do take it for granted. Just like the Wheel would have wanted.)

Now, these many main characters we take for granted are able to rival individual Forsaken only because of their AoL powers and abilities with weaves. I think any one of the forsaken could decimate a linked circle of up to approx. 5 AS. ALL of our Wondergirls (as I've heard them called here) are hinted at being reborn and doing many strange things with the power by instinct. I haven't seen any evidence saying Nynaeve is anyone reborn, but I think the amount of raw power she has at her disposal hints at it nicely enough.

RJ had to still make the Forsaken HUMAN. His non-human evildoers are the Fades and Trollocs. Kinda like our demons. His completely supernatural force is the ultimate Evil, and all the magic people had to be...people. And if you're going to say they are just people, albeit powerful people from the most powerful and prosperous Age in recorded history, then they have to be fallible. And if you want people to believe all these protagonists are crazy-powerful and have abilities not seen since the AoL, then rival they must.
I always say, if you must mount the gallows, give a jest to the crowd, a coin to the hangman, and make the drop with a smile on your lips. ~Birgitte
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Not a chance... DomA - 05/07/2010 06:30:38 PM 1195 Views
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What about winning? Sidious - 06/07/2010 09:24:11 AM 1034 Views
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Re: Assuming Verin is right Sidious - 06/07/2010 09:06:20 PM 795 Views
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Well I agree and disagree Sidious - 06/07/2010 09:55:49 PM 799 Views
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Says who? Fanatic-Templar - 06/07/2010 10:04:31 PM 835 Views
Because Rand is the only one who can stop him from breaking free. Shannow - 06/07/2010 10:05:52 PM 808 Views
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Those are not all synonyms. Fanatic-Templar - 06/07/2010 10:24:08 PM 865 Views
He had a 100 years in the AoL... fionwe1987 - 07/07/2010 01:01:45 AM 807 Views
Sadly no. But it would have made for a more enthralling physical war... Shannow - 05/07/2010 06:54:11 PM 1059 Views
Demandred? Fanatic-Templar - 06/07/2010 12:44:56 AM 875 Views
Moridin is to blame because he is a symbol of RJ's choice to make this a metaphysical war... Shannow - 06/07/2010 12:56:32 PM 894 Views
So... Fanatic-Templar - 06/07/2010 06:43:32 PM 735 Views
Agree with FT... fionwe1987 - 06/07/2010 08:11:10 PM 817 Views
I think metaphysics is more important Sidious - 06/07/2010 09:18:49 PM 895 Views
I think that's kind of the whole point darius_sedai - 06/07/2010 10:58:19 PM 800 Views
Disagree Kieran - 06/07/2010 01:01:08 AM 782 Views
Re: Sadly no. But it would have made for a more enthralling physical war... Demortae - 06/07/2010 02:31:31 AM 886 Views
Martin is nuts! The characters... CatherineSedai - 08/07/2010 07:55:22 AM 818 Views
That would be cool, but I don't see it. Seriana Sedai - 06/07/2010 06:31:18 AM 922 Views
Will be interesting to see... Etzel - 06/07/2010 07:19:41 AM 788 Views
Re: Will be interesting to see... Datakim - 06/07/2010 07:36:00 PM 742 Views
IMO, this idea is wrong... Etzel - 07/07/2010 07:42:48 AM 734 Views
Re: IMO, this idea is wrong... Datakim - 07/07/2010 07:25:46 PM 711 Views
I don't think so. But neither do I think Moridin is the true Nae'blis RugbyPlayingAshaman - 06/07/2010 02:25:47 PM 823 Views
Re: I don't think so. But neither do I think Moridin is the true Nae'blis Datakim - 06/07/2010 07:52:54 PM 959 Views
Re: I don't think so. But neither do I think Moridin is the true Nae'blis RugbyPlayingAshaman - 06/07/2010 08:03:12 PM 792 Views
Re: I don't think so. But neither do I think Moridin is the true Nae'blis Datakim - 06/07/2010 08:58:38 PM 1366 Views
Re: I don't think so. But neither do I think Moridin is the true Nae'blis RugbyPlayingAshaman - 06/07/2010 10:32:39 PM 894 Views
Re: I don't think so. But neither do I think Moridin is the true Nae'blis Datakim - 07/07/2010 06:03:46 AM 988 Views
Re: I don't think so. But neither do I think Moridin is the true Nae'blis RugbyPlayingAshaman - 07/07/2010 03:58:19 PM 871 Views
Re: I don't think so. But neither do I think Moridin is the true Nae'blis orius - 07/07/2010 06:30:33 AM 755 Views
I claimed long time ago that Demandred is an agent of Light Skeeve the Great - 07/07/2010 04:29:28 PM 874 Views
That would be awesome, and would impress me. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 07/07/2010 04:37:43 PM 732 Views
It would be awesome Skeeve the Great - 07/07/2010 06:05:58 PM 727 Views
But why would they expect someone to survive into the nhext Age? Fanatic-Templar - 07/07/2010 06:47:12 PM 1106 Views
Re: But why would they expect someone to survive into the nhext Age? Skeeve the Great - 07/07/2010 08:04:21 PM 786 Views
Re: But why would they expect someone to survive into the nhext Age? Fanatic-Templar - 07/07/2010 11:38:40 PM 758 Views
Re: But why would they expect someone to survive into the nhext Age? Skeeve the Great - 08/07/2010 12:37:08 AM 762 Views
I used to think this was Graendal! *NM* fionwe1987 - 07/07/2010 06:53:41 PM 366 Views
Nah, we already got that twist....it was cool when Verin did it, but RJ wouldn't overuse the idea *NM* Demortae - 08/07/2010 01:15:46 AM 378 Views
That would make Demandred my new favourite character Sidious - 08/07/2010 10:15:41 AM 865 Views
Re: That would make Demandred my new favourite character Skeeve the Great - 08/07/2010 03:23:36 PM 823 Views
Re: That would make Demandred my new favourite character Sidious - 08/07/2010 08:41:28 PM 748 Views
Agree. Seriana Sedai - 09/07/2010 12:19:16 AM 683 Views
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