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Fortuona Comet Sedai Send a noteboard - 22/07/2010 03:36:51 AM

Thoughts?


Am I the last to get this link? Quoting the prophecies:
"Fortune rides like the sun on high with the fox that makes the ravens fly."

So, um, do you suppose RJ always meant, from way back in The Great Hunt, when Tuon's name is first mentioned, that when she became Empress she'd take the name Fortuona, as in Fortune rides with Mr. Fox Medallion? Tuon = Lady Luck? Anyway, I like the line.

As for Tuon, I like her somewhat more since the scene between her and Beslan. She proved a fair, and remarkably just ruler in that scene. Before that, I'll admit that I was so disgusted with the slavery aspects of Seanchan culture (forget damane, which is almost understandable, given the Seanchan people's experiences with Aes Sedai; but the whole da'covale thing...removing all sense of dignity from people, and convincing the average servant that suicide is the only response when their 'owner' dies...that is a lot harder for me to swallow) that I had a hard time separating my dislike for Seanchan from any other feelings towards Tuon.

Her treatment of Mat was as arrogant and annoying as most other women in the book (and I'm no great fan of Mat, although I do like the character, but what a nightmare she's been), so that didn't win any favorable marks in my book either, but then again, it just made her typical.

However, upon later reflection, following reading the Beslan scene, a critical, short piece of dialog between Mat and Thom made me begin to reexamine her character. In KOD, Tuon insists on going to the hell, and Thom suggests Mat take her to an inn. Mat thinks she'll never fall for it, but Thom sagely suggests that she's a lot more sheltered than Mat realizes, for all her stern magistrate exterior. Like someone said above, she never had a childhod. The concept of love between Empress and husband is foreign. She's all about duty. She is nothing if not pious, and she is as stern and strict with herself as she is with others (wearing the veil because she feels she shamed herself in how she reacted to Lydia's foretelling). So, in that sense, she is a woman of honest, deep conviction. Perhaps some of her convictions are way, way off, but she doesn't change her mind to suit alien societies' whims. She aims to be as eternal and devoted as the Empire itself, and forget about political correctness.

Frankly, I both admire the character for her strength of conviction (it helped her not only withstand Semirhage and Rand, but also bring some semblance of order back to Randland), and pity her for it. Despite withstanding Semirhage and establishing some local order, she has simultaneously played very neatly into the Shadow's hands in terms of sowing chaos and battle, thanks to her blind devotion to her belief in the purity of her people's prophecies.

Tuon the person was dead before she ever really lived. As others have said, I guess that's what Mat brings her--a sense of personhood/Tuonhood separate from Fortuona the Empress. I hope she continues to become more human.


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This message last edited by Comet Sedai on 22/07/2010 at 03:37:44 AM
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Character discussion 10 : Tuon - 18/07/2010 06:08:30 PM 2093 Views
Most annoying, unlikeable, incomprehensible, irredeemable character in the books. - 18/07/2010 06:44:14 PM 1271 Views
I disprove your argument with one word. Coincidentally, it is a character. - 18/07/2010 07:50:17 PM 1068 Views
Bah. - 18/07/2010 11:51:48 PM 1058 Views
Actually, I like both of them. - 19/07/2010 06:41:12 AM 994 Views
Re: Actually, I like both of them. - 21/07/2010 01:22:21 PM 919 Views
I really like Tuon. - 18/07/2010 07:45:11 PM 1182 Views
Re: I really like Tuon. - 18/07/2010 07:56:22 PM 1112 Views
I guess I should have said she and Egwene share positive personality traits - 18/07/2010 09:01:50 PM 1086 Views
Agreed. - 18/07/2010 09:11:19 PM 988 Views
Re: I really like Tuon. - 18/07/2010 11:53:37 PM 1050 Views
well said *NM* - 19/07/2010 01:39:46 AM 481 Views
Re: I really like Tuon. - 19/07/2010 03:34:42 AM 1011 Views
I disagree. *NM* - 19/07/2010 08:04:45 AM 453 Views
Brandon said it was her mental toughness... - 20/07/2010 06:34:18 AM 932 Views
Cool character but has major flaws - 19/07/2010 06:22:15 AM 1021 Views
The a'dam and the 3 Oaths are a lot alike. - 20/07/2010 01:01:49 AM 1137 Views
Re: The a'dam and the 3 Oaths are a lot alike. - 21/07/2010 02:22:26 PM 858 Views
Also... - 22/07/2010 08:39:48 PM 1001 Views
Re: Also... - 22/07/2010 09:19:37 PM 860 Views
Re: "She is a better ruler than most". Really? Can you provide the examples? - 19/07/2010 06:58:46 PM 986 Views
Re: "She is a better ruler than most". Really? Can you provide the examples? - 20/07/2010 12:39:15 AM 977 Views
Yeah, What he said ^^ and... - 20/07/2010 01:05:49 AM 965 Views
Need better examples... - 20/07/2010 05:20:48 AM 923 Views
Re: "She is a better ruler than most". Really? Can you provide the examples? - 20/07/2010 03:59:30 PM 943 Views
You meant to say Graendal used Arad Doman as her base & destroyed it, right? - 20/07/2010 04:14:41 PM 1052 Views
Yes. - 20/07/2010 05:17:32 PM 956 Views
There are plenty of examples - 20/07/2010 08:59:19 PM 1106 Views
Re: There are plenty of examples - 21/07/2010 02:21:01 PM 863 Views
Tuon carries out enlightened absolutism, then - 22/07/2010 11:24:22 AM 1027 Views
Re: Tuon carries out enlightened absolutism, then - 22/07/2010 03:32:54 PM 821 Views
The Seanchen as a whole are better rulers - 21/07/2010 04:21:09 AM 908 Views
Does Tuon know sul'dam can channel or not? - 18/07/2010 10:56:40 PM 1002 Views
Answered my own question = Yes. - 18/07/2010 11:00:09 PM 973 Views
one of my favorite characters - 19/07/2010 01:38:53 AM 931 Views
Like her - 19/07/2010 07:00:01 AM 999 Views
A horrible woman - 19/07/2010 07:02:45 AM 1070 Views
Re: A horrible woman - 19/07/2010 08:39:05 AM 1012 Views
on this we agree - 19/07/2010 07:56:31 PM 1011 Views
Re: on this we agree - 20/07/2010 01:04:07 AM 945 Views
Re: A horrible woman indeed! - 20/07/2010 01:17:18 AM 860 Views
Re: A horrible woman - 21/07/2010 04:19:24 PM 892 Views
I think she has the most potential for evil - 19/07/2010 03:24:28 PM 934 Views
Re: I think she has the most potential for evil - 21/07/2010 04:27:45 PM 868 Views
Re: I think she has the most potential for evil - 22/07/2010 07:54:24 PM 793 Views
Don't like her at all - 19/07/2010 06:38:05 PM 933 Views
I like her! As a character - 20/07/2010 01:46:09 AM 927 Views
One of Jordan's better done characters... - 20/07/2010 04:56:36 AM 942 Views
Tuon and omens plus other thoughts. - 20/07/2010 05:20:26 AM 880 Views
On that note, I think she is a bit uncanny because she sometimes seems a bit insane - 20/07/2010 03:52:58 PM 896 Views
One thing among many that really bothered me about Tuon - 21/07/2010 08:07:57 AM 924 Views
She would have been killed - 21/07/2010 08:43:44 AM 957 Views
Yup, she had no choice there. - 21/07/2010 04:31:13 PM 883 Views
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