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Re: But why... Lord Haart Send a noteboard - 23/07/2010 12:01:00 PM
Would then e.g. Moridin as SH spy on Sammael and Graendal in ACoS, ch.40, or SH free Semirhage, though he is quite limited in this persona. Makes no sense.


The SH persona is probably also linked to the DO. Moridin is becoming a tool.

We also see in ACoS, ch.25, that SH tortures Moghedien and then sends her to Moridin. This makes pretty clear that both can't be the same creature. They couldn't switch places and clothes that quickly.


That chapter was quite, well, metaphysical. It sounded like it happened in T'A'R. So it would be quite possible. Moridin's 'Darker Half' does the torture and the more human half becomes Moghedien's master.

Ultimately, I don't see the sense in fusing Moridin and SH together. It makes more sense that the DO could simply project his shadowy from into SH and this explains his powers/limitations. Moridin is simply the Forsaken, who is most dedicated to the DO and whom the DO trusts most, and therefore SH and Moridin are closely working together.

I would also think that Rand would notice a further direct link to SH, because of the balefire link to Moridin.


Rand doesn't know about SH.

In terms of channeling, there are a number of people that believe Moridin is either burnt out or received a body which is unable to channel (hence excessive use of the TP and the DO's trust in him). This fits with the nature of SH.

I don't think there is more than a little evidence for this, but there's enough to at least consider that it's possible.
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Moridin & Shadar Haran saidarisnowtainted - 22/07/2010 08:14:27 PM 1651 Views
No... Etzel - 22/07/2010 08:22:52 PM 1038 Views
Re: No... saidarisnowtainted - 22/07/2010 09:31:35 PM 940 Views
Don't let her talk you out of it so easily. Give us the reasons behind your theory! Narg - 23/07/2010 03:41:00 AM 901 Views
Re: Don't let her talk you out of it so easily. Give us the reasons behind your theory! saidarisnowtainted - 27/07/2010 04:00:26 PM 746 Views
Re: No...(en garde, Etzellius Maximus!) Mik - 23/07/2010 08:38:26 AM 967 Views
I haven't seen those answers either so I'm interested. I don't think they're the same Deadsy - 23/07/2010 08:49:11 AM 846 Views
Well, I already talked more about it below Etzel - 23/07/2010 09:17:10 AM 1049 Views
Re: Well, I already talked more about it below Mik - 23/07/2010 11:29:08 AM 896 Views
Yup, I think they are one and the same. Mik - 23/07/2010 08:21:20 AM 1200 Views
This idea is hardly vindicable Etzel - 23/07/2010 09:12:14 AM 947 Views
Au contraire. Mik - 23/07/2010 11:23:09 AM 1054 Views
But why... Etzel - 23/07/2010 11:32:25 AM 878 Views
Re: But why... Lord Haart - 23/07/2010 12:01:00 PM 936 Views
Again. RJ fooled you. Mik - 23/07/2010 12:15:26 PM 947 Views
I think it would have to work this way: Lord Haart - 23/07/2010 03:10:59 PM 894 Views
Your reasoning falls apart right at the start, even though there is some truth to the rest, I think. Mik - 23/07/2010 04:22:22 PM 996 Views
Um not quite Ryan - 25/07/2010 05:47:22 AM 852 Views
Hehehe. True, but the mental image still helps. Ishamael - 25/07/2010 08:29:18 AM 1099 Views
Re: Hehehe. True, but the mental image still helps. Ishamael - 25/07/2010 08:32:10 AM 1127 Views
I think your evidence is pretty weak... Etzel - 26/07/2010 10:14:01 AM 811 Views
Why don't you answer some of the issues I raised then, instead of keeping it vague..? Mik - 26/07/2010 11:58:02 AM 916 Views
Re: Why don't you answer some of the issues I raised then, instead of keeping it vague..? Etzel - 26/07/2010 12:18:51 PM 910 Views
Re: Why don't you answer some of the issues I raised then, instead of keeping it vague..? Lord Haart - 26/07/2010 12:43:53 PM 859 Views
Frankly, I don't see any similarity... Etzel - 26/07/2010 01:57:56 PM 920 Views
Re: Frankly, I don't see any similarity... Lord Haart - 26/07/2010 04:09:52 PM 778 Views
The problem is... Etzel - 26/07/2010 04:27:50 PM 738 Views
No problem at all, but your unwillingness to accept the possibilty after all these years. Mik - 27/07/2010 11:38:10 AM 844 Views
I already answered all this... Etzel - 27/07/2010 11:46:36 AM 856 Views
Yeah. And as proven earlier your answers are flat-out wrong. Mik - 27/07/2010 01:17:36 PM 960 Views
I think we have to agree to disagree Etzel - 27/07/2010 01:34:34 PM 798 Views
Agreed then. Mik - 27/07/2010 02:03:52 PM 955 Views
Thanks for those answers. Here's how wrong they actually are: Mik - 26/07/2010 01:54:44 PM 890 Views
No problem Etzel - 26/07/2010 02:30:45 PM 937 Views
Why does that scene matter? Lord Haart - 26/07/2010 04:16:33 PM 837 Views
Dunno, you have to ask Mik about this. *NM* Etzel - 26/07/2010 04:23:19 PM 451 Views
Why the half answer? Here's my full answer and the questions you missed..again.. Mik - 26/07/2010 05:14:00 PM 1009 Views
Just to understand you correctly... Etzel - 26/07/2010 05:33:46 PM 854 Views
Sure..I'll answer your questions again.. "quid pro quo"? Mik - 27/07/2010 12:43:21 PM 926 Views
Well, kudos to you, if that idea turns out to be right Etzel - 27/07/2010 01:27:05 PM 890 Views
Re: Well, kudos to you, if that idea turns out to be right Lord Haart - 27/07/2010 01:56:32 PM 786 Views
The DO has control over Moridin... Etzel - 27/07/2010 02:04:50 PM 741 Views
Uhh. Thanks ..I guess. Mik - 27/07/2010 01:57:38 PM 956 Views
I almost want the theory to be true, but one quick thing: Gher - 26/07/2010 03:53:04 PM 838 Views
Re: I almost want the theory to be true, but one quick thing: Lord Haart - 26/07/2010 04:18:40 PM 722 Views
True, but if they're ordering other people to do it anyway... Gher - 26/07/2010 04:51:18 PM 738 Views
One should also remember... Etzel - 26/07/2010 05:06:36 PM 771 Views
Eh? Mik - 26/07/2010 05:30:20 PM 787 Views
But that the killing stopped, doesn't mean at all that Moridin and SH are one creature. *NM* Etzel - 26/07/2010 05:35:02 PM 832 Views
Give me a better reason? Why did RJ make the timing fit and hid it so far apart? Mik - 26/07/2010 05:36:28 PM 876 Views
I think... Etzel - 26/07/2010 05:48:21 PM 683 Views
Re: I almost want the theory to be true, but one quick thing: Mik - 26/07/2010 05:22:46 PM 924 Views
Re: This idea is hardly vindicable saidarisnowtainted - 27/07/2010 04:07:53 PM 807 Views
= - Oh and has anyone given thought to Hopper = Bela? Lohikaarme - 27/07/2010 09:17:18 PM 740 Views
Thanks! *bows and tips wide-brimmed hat* Mik - 28/07/2010 07:54:05 AM 973 Views
Not the same individual DomA - 24/07/2010 02:16:01 PM 812 Views
Re: Not the same individual Lord Haart - 24/07/2010 06:07:10 PM 705 Views
Aww Dom. I really hoped you were on the same page.. Mik - 25/07/2010 09:38:35 AM 995 Views
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