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But that the killing stopped, doesn't mean at all that Moridin and SH are one creature. *NM* Etzel Send a noteboard - 26/07/2010 05:35:02 PM
That some time after Ishy's death, Sammael took control of Carridin. Serving his new master, certainly protected Carridin in a way. After all, Carridin wasn't immediately killed in LoC or ACoS, when SH and Moridin appeared, but not until after Sammael's death. He also wasn't killed in the way SH 0.5. threatened him, namely being tortured for years at SG, but rather quickly. Besides that, SH 0.5. gave the command to kill Rand, and we know that Moridin didn't want that after he was transmigrated.
Sammaels protection was bogus! Sammael protecting an insect? Ha! Sammael could care less.

And for all we know, Carridin could have been taken to Shayol Ghul still. If Shai'tan can catch Souls/ Minds to Transmigrate, why couldn't he catch Carridins dirty Darkfriend Soul to torture for all eternity and-then-some.
Reminds me of that burned darkfriend dying in TEotW looking hapilly untill the very last second in TAR.
Reminds me of the fire in the hearth at Shayol Ghul; all those tormented faces!

Besides, it's irrelevant if the promise is kept to the letter;
When Ishamael died, the killing stopped for 2 months.
The fact remains, no matter how much you clutter it with additional stuff..
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Moridin & Shadar Haran saidarisnowtainted - 22/07/2010 08:14:27 PM 1461 Views
No... Etzel - 22/07/2010 08:22:52 PM 854 Views
Re: No... saidarisnowtainted - 22/07/2010 09:31:35 PM 751 Views
Don't let her talk you out of it so easily. Give us the reasons behind your theory! Narg - 23/07/2010 03:41:00 AM 723 Views
Re: Don't let her talk you out of it so easily. Give us the reasons behind your theory! saidarisnowtainted - 27/07/2010 04:00:26 PM 577 Views
Re: No...(en garde, Etzellius Maximus!) Mik - 23/07/2010 08:38:26 AM 781 Views
I haven't seen those answers either so I'm interested. I don't think they're the same Deadsy - 23/07/2010 08:49:11 AM 678 Views
Well, I already talked more about it below Etzel - 23/07/2010 09:17:10 AM 881 Views
Re: Well, I already talked more about it below Mik - 23/07/2010 11:29:08 AM 721 Views
Yup, I think they are one and the same. Mik - 23/07/2010 08:21:20 AM 1012 Views
This idea is hardly vindicable Etzel - 23/07/2010 09:12:14 AM 761 Views
Au contraire. Mik - 23/07/2010 11:23:09 AM 848 Views
But why... Etzel - 23/07/2010 11:32:25 AM 731 Views
Re: But why... Lord Haart - 23/07/2010 12:01:00 PM 775 Views
Again. RJ fooled you. Mik - 23/07/2010 12:15:26 PM 762 Views
I think it would have to work this way: Lord Haart - 23/07/2010 03:10:59 PM 723 Views
Your reasoning falls apart right at the start, even though there is some truth to the rest, I think. Mik - 23/07/2010 04:22:22 PM 808 Views
Um not quite Ryan - 25/07/2010 05:47:22 AM 669 Views
Hehehe. True, but the mental image still helps. Ishamael - 25/07/2010 08:29:18 AM 899 Views
Re: Hehehe. True, but the mental image still helps. Ishamael - 25/07/2010 08:32:10 AM 930 Views
I think your evidence is pretty weak... Etzel - 26/07/2010 10:14:01 AM 632 Views
Why don't you answer some of the issues I raised then, instead of keeping it vague..? Mik - 26/07/2010 11:58:02 AM 749 Views
Re: Why don't you answer some of the issues I raised then, instead of keeping it vague..? Etzel - 26/07/2010 12:18:51 PM 707 Views
Re: Why don't you answer some of the issues I raised then, instead of keeping it vague..? Lord Haart - 26/07/2010 12:43:53 PM 681 Views
Frankly, I don't see any similarity... Etzel - 26/07/2010 01:57:56 PM 757 Views
Re: Frankly, I don't see any similarity... Lord Haart - 26/07/2010 04:09:52 PM 615 Views
The problem is... Etzel - 26/07/2010 04:27:50 PM 561 Views
No problem at all, but your unwillingness to accept the possibilty after all these years. Mik - 27/07/2010 11:38:10 AM 678 Views
I already answered all this... Etzel - 27/07/2010 11:46:36 AM 691 Views
Yeah. And as proven earlier your answers are flat-out wrong. Mik - 27/07/2010 01:17:36 PM 796 Views
I think we have to agree to disagree Etzel - 27/07/2010 01:34:34 PM 636 Views
Agreed then. Mik - 27/07/2010 02:03:52 PM 774 Views
Thanks for those answers. Here's how wrong they actually are: Mik - 26/07/2010 01:54:44 PM 716 Views
No problem Etzel - 26/07/2010 02:30:45 PM 771 Views
Why does that scene matter? Lord Haart - 26/07/2010 04:16:33 PM 643 Views
Dunno, you have to ask Mik about this. *NM* Etzel - 26/07/2010 04:23:19 PM 369 Views
Why the half answer? Here's my full answer and the questions you missed..again.. Mik - 26/07/2010 05:14:00 PM 847 Views
Just to understand you correctly... Etzel - 26/07/2010 05:33:46 PM 690 Views
Sure..I'll answer your questions again.. "quid pro quo"? Mik - 27/07/2010 12:43:21 PM 771 Views
Well, kudos to you, if that idea turns out to be right Etzel - 27/07/2010 01:27:05 PM 724 Views
Re: Well, kudos to you, if that idea turns out to be right Lord Haart - 27/07/2010 01:56:32 PM 616 Views
The DO has control over Moridin... Etzel - 27/07/2010 02:04:50 PM 583 Views
Uhh. Thanks ..I guess. Mik - 27/07/2010 01:57:38 PM 784 Views
I almost want the theory to be true, but one quick thing: Gher - 26/07/2010 03:53:04 PM 628 Views
Re: I almost want the theory to be true, but one quick thing: Lord Haart - 26/07/2010 04:18:40 PM 566 Views
True, but if they're ordering other people to do it anyway... Gher - 26/07/2010 04:51:18 PM 595 Views
One should also remember... Etzel - 26/07/2010 05:06:36 PM 589 Views
Eh? Mik - 26/07/2010 05:30:20 PM 614 Views
But that the killing stopped, doesn't mean at all that Moridin and SH are one creature. *NM* Etzel - 26/07/2010 05:35:02 PM 673 Views
Give me a better reason? Why did RJ make the timing fit and hid it so far apart? Mik - 26/07/2010 05:36:28 PM 690 Views
I think... Etzel - 26/07/2010 05:48:21 PM 511 Views
Re: I almost want the theory to be true, but one quick thing: Mik - 26/07/2010 05:22:46 PM 769 Views
Re: This idea is hardly vindicable saidarisnowtainted - 27/07/2010 04:07:53 PM 619 Views
= - Oh and has anyone given thought to Hopper = Bela? Lohikaarme - 27/07/2010 09:17:18 PM 563 Views
Thanks! *bows and tips wide-brimmed hat* Mik - 28/07/2010 07:54:05 AM 784 Views
Not the same individual DomA - 24/07/2010 02:16:01 PM 620 Views
Re: Not the same individual Lord Haart - 24/07/2010 06:07:10 PM 535 Views
Aww Dom. I really hoped you were on the same page.. Mik - 25/07/2010 09:38:35 AM 836 Views
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