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Not the same individual DomA Send a noteboard - 24/07/2010 02:16:01 PM
We can even put that ideal to rest: SH brought Moghedien to a room in which Moridin was.

They are disctinct.

SH is the result of attempts by the DO to infuse Shadowspawn with his own direct will (personally, I'm rather convinced there's no new breed of DH... it's a ridiculous notion when unlike Rand we know this is impossible as Aginor was dead then, and RJ told us his genetic knowledge is totally useless nowadays as he doesn't have the technology to do anything.. if Shai'tan could create viable breeds of Shadowspawn, he would not have needed men like Aginor in the first place, and it's not only DH (fairly minor players in the Shadow's stable) he would have created new breeds of but all the Shadowspawn would have gotten more powerful... just imagine how lethal and far more useful than DH Fades that can't be killed short of balefire would be (and it's probaly the case with SH, incidentally) So I think the DH sent to Rhuidean were not any "new breed" but unique cases of DH invested directly by Shai'tan like Shaidar Haran now is (they were not sent by Rahvin either IMO - contrary to Lanfear's lie to Rand, Rahvin was part of a plan to capture Rand with her help - Lanfear was simply betraying Rhavin by pretending he sent the DH when the understanding between the four was that Sammael would be the bait - the DH, IMO, were sent by SG because Shai'tan was afraid of Rand learning too much from Asmodean and made an attempt to kill him, which failed). That is why they could not be killed short of balefire - Shai'tan was in them as the True Power and by his will and his grasp on their souls he kept "respawning", until balefire killed them before they died). We probably didn't see more "possessed" Shadospawn because they take too much out of Shai'tan, and Rand got lucky and discovered the way to stop those the first time....

It seems to me Shai'tan's direct power over the Myrddraal has kept growing through the series (their connection to Shai'tan is greater, maybe - and it might be just returning to what it used to be when the Bore wasn't sealed off). He's just invested massively more (all he had available, probably) into a single Myrddraal that would be a vessel for him in Creation after his early experiments worked. It's very telling that Shai'tan chose a creature naturally spawned by others creatures for which the TP was originally used in their making over natural beings in the Pattern, like humans. The Myrddraal are the closest thing to a real "Shadow breed".

The most telling thing about Moridin and Shaidar Haran is that Moridin is the only Chosen SH has so far left alone, and the only one who seems to work in tandem with SH. These two probably have much off-screen interaction (unless Moridin has a mental connection to Shai'tan as Nae'blis we don't know about, but that's doubftul), but so far we only see them work together but apart in complementary missions: Moridin spots Sammael doing something possibly dubious, SH follows him around to get to the bottom of it, and in the end Moridin is the one who appears to save Rand from Sammael (he might have be summonsed to go to SL by Shaidar Haran). Graendal might refuse to obey a summons to Moridin by Moghedien, so SH is around to implement a plan B to force her to come. He brought the mindtrapped Moghedien to Moridin as well. He punished Mesaana for refusing to even acknowledge Moridin as Nae'blis and ignoring his summons/orders. Moridin and SH worked together again about Semirhage - Moridin ordering Mesaana/Demandred to back off, SH finishing the job.
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Moridin & Shadar Haran - 22/07/2010 08:14:27 PM 1734 Views
No... - 22/07/2010 08:22:52 PM 1127 Views
Re: No... - 22/07/2010 09:31:35 PM 1027 Views
Re: No...(en garde, Etzellius Maximus!) - 23/07/2010 08:38:26 AM 1045 Views
Well, I already talked more about it below - 23/07/2010 09:17:10 AM 1123 Views
Re: Well, I already talked more about it below - 23/07/2010 11:29:08 AM 971 Views
Yup, I think they are one and the same. - 23/07/2010 08:21:20 AM 1294 Views
This idea is hardly vindicable - 23/07/2010 09:12:14 AM 1030 Views
Au contraire. - 23/07/2010 11:23:09 AM 1130 Views
But why... - 23/07/2010 11:32:25 AM 953 Views
Re: But why... - 23/07/2010 12:01:00 PM 1017 Views
Again. RJ fooled you. - 23/07/2010 12:15:26 PM 1023 Views
I think it would have to work this way: - 23/07/2010 03:10:59 PM 965 Views
Your reasoning falls apart right at the start, even though there is some truth to the rest, I think. - 23/07/2010 04:22:22 PM 1077 Views
Um not quite - 25/07/2010 05:47:22 AM 928 Views
Hehehe. True, but the mental image still helps. - 25/07/2010 08:29:18 AM 1278 Views
Re: Hehehe. True, but the mental image still helps. - 25/07/2010 08:32:10 AM 1306 Views
I think your evidence is pretty weak... - 26/07/2010 10:14:01 AM 885 Views
Why don't you answer some of the issues I raised then, instead of keeping it vague..? - 26/07/2010 11:58:02 AM 998 Views
Re: Why don't you answer some of the issues I raised then, instead of keeping it vague..? - 26/07/2010 12:18:51 PM 991 Views
Re: Why don't you answer some of the issues I raised then, instead of keeping it vague..? - 26/07/2010 12:43:53 PM 943 Views
Frankly, I don't see any similarity... - 26/07/2010 01:57:56 PM 989 Views
Re: Frankly, I don't see any similarity... - 26/07/2010 04:09:52 PM 858 Views
The problem is... - 26/07/2010 04:27:50 PM 818 Views
No problem at all, but your unwillingness to accept the possibilty after all these years. - 27/07/2010 11:38:10 AM 925 Views
I already answered all this... - 27/07/2010 11:46:36 AM 941 Views
Yeah. And as proven earlier your answers are flat-out wrong. - 27/07/2010 01:17:36 PM 1043 Views
I think we have to agree to disagree - 27/07/2010 01:34:34 PM 879 Views
Agreed then. - 27/07/2010 02:03:52 PM 1034 Views
Thanks for those answers. Here's how wrong they actually are: - 26/07/2010 01:54:44 PM 966 Views
No problem - 26/07/2010 02:30:45 PM 1017 Views
Why does that scene matter? - 26/07/2010 04:16:33 PM 923 Views
Dunno, you have to ask Mik about this. *NM* - 26/07/2010 04:23:19 PM 500 Views
Why the half answer? Here's my full answer and the questions you missed..again.. - 26/07/2010 05:14:00 PM 1094 Views
Just to understand you correctly... - 26/07/2010 05:33:46 PM 932 Views
Sure..I'll answer your questions again.. "quid pro quo"? - 27/07/2010 12:43:21 PM 1001 Views
Well, kudos to you, if that idea turns out to be right - 27/07/2010 01:27:05 PM 959 Views
Re: Well, kudos to you, if that idea turns out to be right - 27/07/2010 01:56:32 PM 868 Views
The DO has control over Moridin... - 27/07/2010 02:04:50 PM 815 Views
Uhh. Thanks ..I guess. - 27/07/2010 01:57:38 PM 1041 Views
I almost want the theory to be true, but one quick thing: - 26/07/2010 03:53:04 PM 922 Views
Re: I almost want the theory to be true, but one quick thing: - 26/07/2010 04:18:40 PM 819 Views
True, but if they're ordering other people to do it anyway... - 26/07/2010 04:51:18 PM 816 Views
One should also remember... - 26/07/2010 05:06:36 PM 848 Views
Eh? - 26/07/2010 05:30:20 PM 873 Views
But that the killing stopped, doesn't mean at all that Moridin and SH are one creature. *NM* - 26/07/2010 05:35:02 PM 912 Views
Give me a better reason? Why did RJ make the timing fit and hid it so far apart? - 26/07/2010 05:36:28 PM 962 Views
I think... - 26/07/2010 05:48:21 PM 771 Views
Re: I almost want the theory to be true, but one quick thing: - 26/07/2010 05:22:46 PM 1004 Views
Re: This idea is hardly vindicable - 27/07/2010 04:07:53 PM 887 Views
= - Oh and has anyone given thought to Hopper = Bela? - 27/07/2010 09:17:18 PM 813 Views
Thanks! *bows and tips wide-brimmed hat* - 28/07/2010 07:54:05 AM 1050 Views
Not the same individual - 24/07/2010 02:16:01 PM 901 Views
Re: Not the same individual - 24/07/2010 06:07:10 PM 787 Views
Aww Dom. I really hoped you were on the same page.. - 25/07/2010 09:38:35 AM 1070 Views

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