Ok, let's say what you think is right. Who has the biggest motive to get rid of Cadsuane from the picture???
Huh?
Rand banishing Cadsuane is merely a side effect, and not one that anyone could have predicted. The point was to get the DB to Semirhage so she could collar Rand and either take him to the DO or force him to use TP depending on who you ask. And while there may or may not be other DB's somewhere in Seanchan, the DB in Cadsuanes room was closest. Maybe if Elza would not have found it there, SH would have sent her to Seanchan to look for another, but there was no need since it WAS in the obvious place(Cadsuanes room).
I most certainly do not see Cadsuane as important enough for the shadow to arrange some plot to frame her on the off chance that Rand MIGHT exile her. I think that if the shadow wanted her out of the way, they would have tried to assinate her or something. Cadsuane is unimportant for this, the primary objective was simply to get the closest DB quickly.
I don't agree. Some people DID know that Cadsuane being around Rand was very important to Rand's success and that her influence on him was strong despite how he fought it. Just because it may not have been the primary goal for Cadsuane to be framed does not mean that it wasn't explicitly thought out when the DB was stolen from her, thereby assigning blame on her totally and turning Rand against her.
Her allowing the DB to be stolen almost made Rand kill Min, destroy the Aiel and be turned to the shadow. Of course whoever stole it from Cadsuane knew he would be furious with her.
Also anyone could have used the DB on Rand, it didnt have to be Semhirage. It would have been much easier and less risky for Elza to do it were she just given instructions on breaking the warding. No need for Shaidar Haran to come in, possibly get caught, free Semhirage, have Elza or SH trance and kill the Aes Sedai guarding Semhirage, etc etc. Maybe Semhirage was just being set up by Moridin and this was a way to cruelly punish her.
Point is if all they needed was the DB on Rand it could have been done much easier and it would still point a finger at Cadsuane. No need for such an elaborate plan, and Cadsuane was meant to take the punishment for it all, it was no mistake.
This message last edited by malekithe on 13/08/2010 at 03:09:04 AM
Who betrayed Cadsuane by stealing the male adam and CK?
- 12/08/2010 09:49:32 AM
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it's been discussed a lot
- 12/08/2010 11:00:06 AM
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Really? All the questions it poses?
- 12/08/2010 11:06:11 AM
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Havent seen this exact discussion before either.. *NM*
- 12/08/2010 11:06:45 AM
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see my further reply =oP I'm 13% less of a jerkface than it looks *NM*
- 12/08/2010 12:10:28 PM
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Re: Really? All the questions it poses?
- 12/08/2010 11:56:26 AM
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not really
- 12/08/2010 02:08:41 PM
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Yep, pretty much. Otherwise he could have just nullified the Compulsions' lingering effect on Elza
- 12/08/2010 02:11:24 PM
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As demonstrated in TGS...
- 12/08/2010 05:27:21 PM
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We don't know that about Compulsion - we are talking about 2 different ways to deal with that weave
- 12/08/2010 07:16:30 PM
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Re: We don't know that about Compulsion - we are talking about 2 different ways to deal
- 12/08/2010 08:21:32 PM
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Re: We don't know that about Compulsion - we are talking about 2 different ways to deal
- 12/08/2010 08:32:41 PM
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Re: We don't know that about Compulsion - we are talking about 2 different ways to deal
- 13/08/2010 06:51:45 AM
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I replied to the topic before you edited to ask all the extra questions 
- 12/08/2010 12:08:27 PM
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- 12/08/2010 12:08:27 PM
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Both Bair and Sorilea knew
- 12/08/2010 10:33:59 PM
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Fallacy of logic
- 12/08/2010 10:58:49 PM
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Re: Who betrayed Cadsuane by stealing the male adam and CK?
- 12/08/2010 02:43:23 PM
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Re: Who betrayed Cadsuane by stealing the male adam and CK?
- 12/08/2010 05:42:00 PM
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Re: Who betrayed Cadsuane by stealing the male adam and CK?
- 12/08/2010 08:06:25 PM
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Re: Who betrayed Cadsuane by stealing the male adam and CK?
- 12/08/2010 08:20:44 PM
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Re: Who betrayed Cadsuane by stealing the male adam and CK?
- 12/08/2010 08:32:21 PM
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Who most wanted to get rid of Cadsuane BESIDES Rand?
- 12/08/2010 09:01:44 PM
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Re: Who most wanted to get rid of Cadsuane BESIDES Rand?
- 12/08/2010 09:12:35 PM
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Cadsuane purposely framed, not a mistake
- 12/08/2010 11:51:43 PM
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Can't be Sorilea
- 13/08/2010 11:50:53 AM
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Re: Can't be Sorilea
- 13/08/2010 08:46:02 PM
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Re: Can't be Sorilea
- 14/08/2010 12:00:40 AM
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Re: Can't be Sorilea
- 14/08/2010 12:34:18 AM
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Not necessarily, Sorilea still could have watched Cadsuane untie the weaves
- 15/08/2010 01:53:27 AM
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Re: Not necessarily, Sorilea still could have watched Cadsuane untie the weaves
- 15/08/2010 12:53:42 PM
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I think that Couladin was a dark friend.
- 13/08/2010 03:00:20 AM
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I'd be surprised, actually.
- 13/08/2010 05:34:13 AM
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Couladin and Asmodean
- 13/08/2010 08:33:38 AM
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Re: Couladin and Asmodean
- 13/08/2010 04:45:21 PM
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Couldin isn't intolerant. He's murderously xenophobic.
- 14/08/2010 05:45:15 PM
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Almost ALL of the Aiel were murderously Xenophobic before Rand united them. *NM*
- 15/08/2010 01:00:37 PM
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Noone betrayed 'Cadsuane'-That was just a happy side affect (for the DO)
- 15/08/2010 08:22:59 AM
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*Sigh* it is 2:20 AM so this is a double post. (You can ignore this one) *NM* *NM*
- 15/08/2010 08:23:49 AM
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