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Couladin and Asmodean Nameless Ashaman Send a noteboard - 13/08/2010 08:33:38 AM
Arrogant, greedy, ambitious, and intolerant, yes. But that doesn't make him a DF.

He was also little more than a puppet for Sevanna to control. And we've seen little indication that she was a DF.



Personally, I find it unlikely that he was sworn to the Shadow. He was just a none-too-bright Aiel warrior with enough political influence that Asmodean decided to use him to throw a wrench into Rand's plans.


What do we really know?

Couladin agreed to let Asmodean put the fake dragon markings on his arms in a bid for power. He may not have known who Asmo really was (in fact, I highly doubt it), but he had to believe he was dealing with a male channeler with all that implies. He must at the very least have suspected he was dealing with DF's.

But we really have no way of knowing how much Couladin knew or didn't know. We also have have no way of knowing how much of what he did was his own plans and how much was Sevanna's, or Asmodean's, or Lanfear's. He was at least partially a puppet, definitely.

There's nothing conclusive. Personally I'm 50/50 on whether or not he was an actual DF.
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Who betrayed Cadsuane by stealing the male adam and CK? malekithe - 12/08/2010 09:49:32 AM 1985 Views
it's been discussed a lot Deadsy - 12/08/2010 11:00:06 AM 1420 Views
Really? All the questions it poses? malekithe - 12/08/2010 11:06:11 AM 1212 Views
Havent seen this exact discussion before either.. *NM* malekithe - 12/08/2010 11:06:45 AM 472 Views
see my further reply =oP I'm 13% less of a jerkface than it looks *NM* Deadsy - 12/08/2010 12:10:28 PM 487 Views
Re: Really? All the questions it poses? NaClH2O - 12/08/2010 11:56:26 AM 1222 Views
not really darius_sedai - 12/08/2010 02:08:41 PM 1143 Views
Yep, pretty much. Otherwise he could have just nullified the Compulsions' lingering effect on Elza RugbyPlayingAshaman - 12/08/2010 02:11:24 PM 1059 Views
That's how I see it too darius_sedai - 12/08/2010 03:50:19 PM 1020 Views
As demonstrated in TGS... Nameless Ashaman - 12/08/2010 05:27:21 PM 1037 Views
We don't know that about Compulsion - we are talking about 2 different ways to deal with that weave RugbyPlayingAshaman - 12/08/2010 07:16:30 PM 1032 Views
Re: We don't know that about Compulsion - we are talking about 2 different ways to deal Datakim - 12/08/2010 08:21:32 PM 1087 Views
Re: We don't know that about Compulsion - we are talking about 2 different ways to deal RugbyPlayingAshaman - 12/08/2010 08:32:41 PM 1048 Views
Re: We don't know that about Compulsion - we are talking about 2 different ways to deal Ryan - 13/08/2010 06:51:45 AM 932 Views
I replied to the topic before you edited to ask all the extra questions Deadsy - 12/08/2010 12:08:27 PM 1050 Views
Oh Deadsy newyorkersedai - 13/08/2010 05:18:32 AM 1009 Views
Both Bair and Sorilea knew The Angry Druid - 12/08/2010 10:33:59 PM 1061 Views
Fallacy of logic NaClH2O - 12/08/2010 10:58:49 PM 1016 Views
Re: Fallacy of logic Datakim - 12/08/2010 11:07:19 PM 913 Views
Disagree NaClH2O - 13/08/2010 11:44:41 AM 1053 Views
I think it was Sorilea. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 12/08/2010 02:09:28 PM 1090 Views
Re: Who betrayed Cadsuane by stealing the male adam and CK? Datakim - 12/08/2010 02:43:23 PM 1253 Views
Re: Who betrayed Cadsuane by stealing the male adam and CK? malekithe - 12/08/2010 05:42:00 PM 1592 Views
Re: Who betrayed Cadsuane by stealing the male adam and CK? Datakim - 12/08/2010 08:06:25 PM 1355 Views
Re: Who betrayed Cadsuane by stealing the male adam and CK? malekithe - 12/08/2010 08:20:44 PM 1054 Views
Re: Who betrayed Cadsuane by stealing the male adam and CK? Datakim - 12/08/2010 08:32:21 PM 1168 Views
Who most wanted to get rid of Cadsuane BESIDES Rand? malekithe - 12/08/2010 09:01:44 PM 1190 Views
Re: Who most wanted to get rid of Cadsuane BESIDES Rand? Datakim - 12/08/2010 09:12:35 PM 975 Views
Cadsuane purposely framed, not a mistake malekithe - 12/08/2010 11:51:43 PM 1189 Views
Regarding Aiel DFs Nameless Ashaman - 12/08/2010 11:38:48 PM 1075 Views
Can't be Sorilea NaClH2O - 13/08/2010 11:50:53 AM 977 Views
Re: Can't be Sorilea malekithe - 13/08/2010 08:46:02 PM 936 Views
Re: Can't be Sorilea NaClH2O - 14/08/2010 12:00:40 AM 1014 Views
Re: Can't be Sorilea Datakim - 14/08/2010 12:34:18 AM 1029 Views
Re: Can't be Sorilea NaClH2O - 14/08/2010 04:31:24 AM 1002 Views
Oh yes.. Cadsuane was so so careful..NOT malekithe - 17/08/2010 06:42:49 AM 936 Views
Not necessarily, Sorilea still could have watched Cadsuane untie the weaves malekithe - 15/08/2010 01:53:27 AM 928 Views
Re: Not necessarily, Sorilea still could have watched Cadsuane untie the weaves NaClH2O - 15/08/2010 12:53:42 PM 843 Views
I think that Couladin was a dark friend. krassos - 13/08/2010 03:00:20 AM 1442 Views
I'd be surprised, actually. Gher - 13/08/2010 05:34:13 AM 960 Views
Couladin and Asmodean Nameless Ashaman - 13/08/2010 08:33:38 AM 1003 Views
Re: Couladin and Asmodean Gher - 13/08/2010 04:45:21 PM 1221 Views
Re: Couladin and Asmodean krassos - 14/08/2010 05:49:00 PM 1031 Views
Re: Couladin and Asmodean Gher - 17/08/2010 04:07:50 AM 916 Views
Couldin isn't intolerant. He's murderously xenophobic. krassos - 14/08/2010 05:45:15 PM 962 Views
Almost ALL of the Aiel were murderously Xenophobic before Rand united them. *NM* Lord Haart - 15/08/2010 01:00:37 PM 459 Views
If someone entered their land. krassos - 15/08/2010 02:28:31 PM 972 Views
Well yeah. Gher - 17/08/2010 03:55:15 AM 977 Views
Re: The missing Choeden Kal... malekithe - 15/08/2010 07:47:40 AM 922 Views
She could have been ordered to leave it there. Lord Haart - 15/08/2010 01:04:38 PM 887 Views
Noone betrayed 'Cadsuane'-That was just a happy side affect (for the DO) RabidWombat - 15/08/2010 08:22:59 AM 1081 Views
*Sigh* it is 2:20 AM so this is a double post. (You can ignore this one) *NM* *NM* RabidWombat - 15/08/2010 08:23:49 AM 439 Views
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