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Couladin and Asmodean Nameless Ashaman Send a noteboard - 13/08/2010 08:33:38 AM
Arrogant, greedy, ambitious, and intolerant, yes. But that doesn't make him a DF.

He was also little more than a puppet for Sevanna to control. And we've seen little indication that she was a DF.



Personally, I find it unlikely that he was sworn to the Shadow. He was just a none-too-bright Aiel warrior with enough political influence that Asmodean decided to use him to throw a wrench into Rand's plans.


What do we really know?

Couladin agreed to let Asmodean put the fake dragon markings on his arms in a bid for power. He may not have known who Asmo really was (in fact, I highly doubt it), but he had to believe he was dealing with a male channeler with all that implies. He must at the very least have suspected he was dealing with DF's.

But we really have no way of knowing how much Couladin knew or didn't know. We also have have no way of knowing how much of what he did was his own plans and how much was Sevanna's, or Asmodean's, or Lanfear's. He was at least partially a puppet, definitely.

There's nothing conclusive. Personally I'm 50/50 on whether or not he was an actual DF.
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Who betrayed Cadsuane by stealing the male adam and CK? malekithe - 12/08/2010 09:49:32 AM 1856 Views
it's been discussed a lot Deadsy - 12/08/2010 11:00:06 AM 1316 Views
Really? All the questions it poses? malekithe - 12/08/2010 11:06:11 AM 1105 Views
Havent seen this exact discussion before either.. *NM* malekithe - 12/08/2010 11:06:45 AM 430 Views
see my further reply =oP I'm 13% less of a jerkface than it looks *NM* Deadsy - 12/08/2010 12:10:28 PM 438 Views
Re: Really? All the questions it poses? NaClH2O - 12/08/2010 11:56:26 AM 1129 Views
not really darius_sedai - 12/08/2010 02:08:41 PM 1039 Views
Yep, pretty much. Otherwise he could have just nullified the Compulsions' lingering effect on Elza RugbyPlayingAshaman - 12/08/2010 02:11:24 PM 958 Views
That's how I see it too darius_sedai - 12/08/2010 03:50:19 PM 922 Views
As demonstrated in TGS... Nameless Ashaman - 12/08/2010 05:27:21 PM 943 Views
We don't know that about Compulsion - we are talking about 2 different ways to deal with that weave RugbyPlayingAshaman - 12/08/2010 07:16:30 PM 930 Views
Re: We don't know that about Compulsion - we are talking about 2 different ways to deal Datakim - 12/08/2010 08:21:32 PM 951 Views
Re: We don't know that about Compulsion - we are talking about 2 different ways to deal RugbyPlayingAshaman - 12/08/2010 08:32:41 PM 945 Views
Re: We don't know that about Compulsion - we are talking about 2 different ways to deal Ryan - 13/08/2010 06:51:45 AM 812 Views
I replied to the topic before you edited to ask all the extra questions Deadsy - 12/08/2010 12:08:27 PM 934 Views
Oh Deadsy newyorkersedai - 13/08/2010 05:18:32 AM 899 Views
Both Bair and Sorilea knew The Angry Druid - 12/08/2010 10:33:59 PM 946 Views
Fallacy of logic NaClH2O - 12/08/2010 10:58:49 PM 913 Views
Re: Fallacy of logic Datakim - 12/08/2010 11:07:19 PM 814 Views
Disagree NaClH2O - 13/08/2010 11:44:41 AM 937 Views
I think it was Sorilea. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 12/08/2010 02:09:28 PM 977 Views
Re: Who betrayed Cadsuane by stealing the male adam and CK? Datakim - 12/08/2010 02:43:23 PM 1157 Views
Re: Who betrayed Cadsuane by stealing the male adam and CK? malekithe - 12/08/2010 05:42:00 PM 1447 Views
Re: Who betrayed Cadsuane by stealing the male adam and CK? Datakim - 12/08/2010 08:06:25 PM 1238 Views
Re: Who betrayed Cadsuane by stealing the male adam and CK? malekithe - 12/08/2010 08:20:44 PM 947 Views
Re: Who betrayed Cadsuane by stealing the male adam and CK? Datakim - 12/08/2010 08:32:21 PM 1052 Views
Who most wanted to get rid of Cadsuane BESIDES Rand? malekithe - 12/08/2010 09:01:44 PM 1078 Views
Re: Who most wanted to get rid of Cadsuane BESIDES Rand? Datakim - 12/08/2010 09:12:35 PM 856 Views
Cadsuane purposely framed, not a mistake malekithe - 12/08/2010 11:51:43 PM 1033 Views
Regarding Aiel DFs Nameless Ashaman - 12/08/2010 11:38:48 PM 970 Views
Can't be Sorilea NaClH2O - 13/08/2010 11:50:53 AM 875 Views
Re: Can't be Sorilea malekithe - 13/08/2010 08:46:02 PM 839 Views
Re: Can't be Sorilea NaClH2O - 14/08/2010 12:00:40 AM 881 Views
Re: Can't be Sorilea Datakim - 14/08/2010 12:34:18 AM 929 Views
Re: Can't be Sorilea NaClH2O - 14/08/2010 04:31:24 AM 914 Views
Oh yes.. Cadsuane was so so careful..NOT malekithe - 17/08/2010 06:42:49 AM 838 Views
Not necessarily, Sorilea still could have watched Cadsuane untie the weaves malekithe - 15/08/2010 01:53:27 AM 818 Views
Re: Not necessarily, Sorilea still could have watched Cadsuane untie the weaves NaClH2O - 15/08/2010 12:53:42 PM 754 Views
I think that Couladin was a dark friend. krassos - 13/08/2010 03:00:20 AM 1339 Views
I'd be surprised, actually. Gher - 13/08/2010 05:34:13 AM 858 Views
Couladin and Asmodean Nameless Ashaman - 13/08/2010 08:33:38 AM 908 Views
Re: Couladin and Asmodean Gher - 13/08/2010 04:45:21 PM 1067 Views
Re: Couladin and Asmodean krassos - 14/08/2010 05:49:00 PM 912 Views
Re: Couladin and Asmodean Gher - 17/08/2010 04:07:50 AM 810 Views
Couldin isn't intolerant. He's murderously xenophobic. krassos - 14/08/2010 05:45:15 PM 849 Views
Almost ALL of the Aiel were murderously Xenophobic before Rand united them. *NM* Lord Haart - 15/08/2010 01:00:37 PM 408 Views
If someone entered their land. krassos - 15/08/2010 02:28:31 PM 875 Views
Well yeah. Gher - 17/08/2010 03:55:15 AM 858 Views
Re: The missing Choeden Kal... malekithe - 15/08/2010 07:47:40 AM 835 Views
She could have been ordered to leave it there. Lord Haart - 15/08/2010 01:04:38 PM 794 Views
Noone betrayed 'Cadsuane'-That was just a happy side affect (for the DO) RabidWombat - 15/08/2010 08:22:59 AM 963 Views
*Sigh* it is 2:20 AM so this is a double post. (You can ignore this one) *NM* *NM* RabidWombat - 15/08/2010 08:23:49 AM 386 Views
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