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Look at it these ways newyorkersedai Send a noteboard - 08/09/2010 02:47:46 AM
Anyone who wants to criticize or mock Rand's behavior has a bit of an open invitation to do so. Why? Cause Rand's taken his misfortune with a lot of bad grace. Sure, he's got great reason to be surly, angry, touchy, jumpy... But I'd say objective observers would say Rand does mope and engage in some self-pity (or self-hate). With frequency.

Sometimes it genuinely sounds like whining. It doesn't sound kind to write that, since Rand has been through harsh, cruel experiences in every single book (I think). Going nuts all the while, too. It's an unfair comparison, but Homer Simpson's quick turns to positivity make all his mood-swings and nastiness easier to pass over. It's just easier for folks to gravitate to.

Rand's darkness, for me, almost never makes for rewarding reading. I guess, perhaps, he's always been prone to being a wet blanket, but it usually happened (IIRC) when he took real responsibility upon himself while still being such a n00b at everything but farming.

Of course, Rand takes himself so bloody seriously - to such a great degree - that it also makes it both easy and fun to mock him. Even if you don't approve of the results, you have to admit that sort of thing is a joke magnet.

On the other hand: Egwene can often be positive. Maybe what makes her seem to have the upper hand here is that she hasn't spent nearly as much time being actively negative; certainly not enough to compare to Rand. Then again, the book's about him, so he gets more time. And no one should ignore the fact that she hasn't been through nearly as much constant torment as al'Thor.

It's easy to prefer Egwene when writing something like this because she does fight hard for the Light, and it doesn't get so damn dreary. But Egwene can be two-faced, double-standard bearing, over-proud, unsympathetic, judgmental, self-indulgent, self-aggrandizing, megalomaniacal, and astronomically whiny... But I like that she *does* make a point of openly going to people for help,. Even if it'll be fishy, like her study with the WO...

If you're going to look at warts and all, Egwene still conveys a good (if high-maintenance) attitude. The Gawyn thing is just odd, partly he's into her so hard. I can't judge her attitude toward Gawyn because (a) he sort of has a big creepy side to him (and the "kill Rand" thing) and (b) I haven't liked him for years now.

No biggie either way - real people got worse flaws than either of them.

PS - Rand definitely had Forsaken actively helping him - like Asmo's blocking that Gateway on McLovin's Eve. That sort of thing was unnecessary enough to count as a blessing. Asmo also helped keep Rand alive after a fight on Telescope Tower. There was also Lanfear. Does anyone doubt that if Mesaana grabbed Rand in book 2, Lanfear wouldn't spring him? The Wonder Girls wouldn't even have time to form a plan!
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Rand vs Egwene... one-line scenarios - 05/09/2010 05:21:08 PM 3103 Views
loled at every one *NM* - 05/09/2010 05:35:03 PM 795 Views
Good for some sunday night relief I hope *NM* - 05/09/2010 09:51:10 PM 738 Views
Hmm... I don't think you want to read the rebuttal to that *NM* - 05/09/2010 06:07:16 PM 956 Views
True - 05/09/2010 09:52:09 PM 1411 Views
But you've already read my post *NM* - 05/09/2010 11:53:58 PM 823 Views
I only used one eye *NM* - 06/09/2010 11:52:19 AM 710 Views
Still counts *NM* - 06/09/2010 03:06:44 PM 733 Views
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Corrected for the sake of accuracy . - 05/09/2010 06:51:58 PM 1474 Views
Nonsense... - 05/09/2010 09:56:41 PM 1283 Views
Gotta love Dark Templar - 05/09/2010 10:14:00 PM 1397 Views
That's partly why I didn't post a reply poking at her. *NM* - 05/09/2010 11:56:15 PM 808 Views
Poking whom? - 06/09/2010 01:20:32 AM 1340 Views
Egwene. I thought that was implied *NM* - 06/09/2010 04:03:25 AM 719 Views
Nice. *NM* - 06/09/2010 02:37:38 PM 724 Views
nice *NM* - 05/09/2010 08:12:31 PM 679 Views
*drumroll* *NM* - 05/09/2010 09:56:54 PM 761 Views
That whole post is stupid, you can't compare Rand's ordeal to Egwene's. - 05/09/2010 10:14:43 PM 1452 Views
its a joke, shhhh *NM* - 05/09/2010 10:36:28 PM 920 Views
No, it's clever and tongue-in-cheek. *NM* - 05/09/2010 11:04:26 PM 738 Views
OMG - 06/09/2010 11:48:48 AM 1406 Views
I know, appalling, right? - 09/09/2010 07:27:40 AM 1327 Views
Re: I know, appalling, right? - 09/09/2010 07:41:02 AM 1341 Views
He doesn't think so, why should we? - 09/09/2010 03:40:25 PM 1227 Views
Because he can't lose - 09/09/2010 05:21:50 PM 1252 Views
I think Rand has far better odds of dying than Egwene. - 09/09/2010 05:56:07 PM 1308 Views
very nicely done - 05/09/2010 11:06:24 PM 1253 Views
Re: very nicely done - 06/09/2010 04:28:29 AM 1284 Views
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Revised for accurracy, improved characterization and humor - 06/09/2010 12:57:35 AM 1710 Views
the humor here is that you think you understand accurracy, improvement, characterization or humor! *NM* - 06/09/2010 01:56:57 AM 706 Views
I'm having to settle for being right. Better than being president... *NM* - 06/09/2010 03:47:52 AM 818 Views
I'm trying to resist the urge to make a Bush joke. *NM* - 06/09/2010 08:21:15 AM 732 Views
Why resist ... he WAS a joke! *NM* - 06/09/2010 04:31:06 PM 755 Views
BWAHAHAHAHA ... thanks to our last president you are right! *NM* - 06/09/2010 04:30:00 PM 712 Views
Re: Revised for accurracy, improved characterization and humor - 06/09/2010 11:51:12 AM 1427 Views
seriously. - 06/09/2010 05:12:08 PM 1361 Views
If a few score Yellows can't handle the disease issue, what point to the Aes Sedai at all? - 06/09/2010 10:17:44 PM 1517 Views
Re: If a few score Yellows can't handle the disease issue, what point to the Aes Sedai at all? - 08/09/2010 08:30:35 AM 1246 Views
Like Egwene understands the health implications! It's all about the aesthetics for her. - 09/09/2010 12:35:57 AM 1328 Views
Well, she was an apprentice wisdom with Nynaeve for a while - 09/09/2010 05:33:25 AM 1285 Views
An idiot would understand the implications - 09/09/2010 07:38:57 AM 1252 Views
and it's not just Egwene! - 11/09/2010 02:11:16 PM 1173 Views
Cannoli's just got huge blinders... - 11/09/2010 04:59:50 PM 1400 Views
You forgot one very important point - 11/09/2010 06:44:32 PM 1327 Views
As to that... - 11/09/2010 08:47:26 PM 1102 Views
after dealing with his bushwa waaay longer than you, I'm content to ignore him *NM* - 11/09/2010 11:29:27 PM 718 Views
Remember the old times? - 12/09/2010 03:35:43 AM 1301 Views
I think we could use - 12/09/2010 10:40:47 AM 1271 Views
ugh ... please don't ask for that! - 12/09/2010 02:25:32 PM 1233 Views
Huh. Now that I think of it... - 14/09/2010 06:51:59 AM 1209 Views
all of you are most correct! - 11/09/2010 07:53:44 PM 1219 Views
When exactly have I ever given someone else a pass for "necessary actions" I blamed Egwene for? - 14/09/2010 02:08:29 AM 1494 Views
A few days back... - 14/09/2010 04:03:41 AM 1321 Views
Yes, those are completely different scenarios. - 14/09/2010 05:36:30 AM 1826 Views
Misinterpretations... - 14/09/2010 07:26:11 AM 1222 Views
How can you claim Verin merely "helped" Egwene? - 15/09/2010 06:35:47 AM 1798 Views
Re: Cannoli's just got huge blinders... - 17/09/2010 06:42:39 AM 1495 Views
Read his replies in this thread... - 17/09/2010 06:48:20 AM 1301 Views
So your defense of Egwene is to refute her accusation against her rival? - 14/09/2010 02:12:22 AM 1331 Views
Double Post. See below. *NM* - 14/09/2010 04:03:55 AM 726 Views
How was Egwene to know Elaida made a half-hearted attempt? - 14/09/2010 04:06:15 AM 1244 Views
Re: How was Egwene to know Elaida made a half-hearted attempt? - 14/09/2010 06:58:17 AM 1349 Views
I give up. - 14/09/2010 07:44:57 AM 1376 Views
lol *NM* - 06/09/2010 02:46:23 PM 671 Views
I laughed very hard at this part: - 09/09/2010 07:48:34 PM 1214 Views
Somehow I think of the lyrics from "Defying Gravity", which aren't quite one line - 07/09/2010 04:07:09 PM 1302 Views
Look at it these ways - 08/09/2010 02:47:46 AM 1386 Views
People are taking this way too seriously. - 08/09/2010 06:33:28 AM 1310 Views
no argument there! *NM* - 09/09/2010 05:08:25 AM 483 Views
Re: Look at it these ways - 09/09/2010 07:26:37 AM 1224 Views
It really comes down to the direction RJ went with his personality - 09/09/2010 03:08:36 PM 1164 Views
This post was funny. Your responders are largely idiots who need a sense of humor. *NM* - 08/09/2010 03:56:07 AM 834 Views
I really hate self-fulfilling prophecy. *NM* - 08/09/2010 06:34:45 AM 799 Views
Hee. <3 *NM* - 09/09/2010 10:14:55 PM 737 Views
Re: Rand vs Egwene... one-line scenarios - 10/09/2010 06:28:50 AM 1125 Views

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