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Re: That raises an interesting question: Shishka Send a noteboard - 13/10/2010 05:57:39 PM
Does the Warder Bond apply to the body or the soul*? If it's just the body, then Rand would have to be re-bonded by Min, Elayne and Aviendha (and could escape Alanna's bond). If it's the soul, would Rand need another Bond to heal from being ripped from TAR?


Until recently I would have thought for sure that the bond would disappear when Rand's body died, and therefore he'd have to be re-bonded after being yanked from TAR.

I say "until recently" because ... in TGS Q&A, Brandon was asked if a person is stilled/burnt-out, and then transmigrated by the DO to a new body, will she still be stilled/burnt-out? I would have thought (almost certainly) that the answer was "no", but Brandon said the answer was "yes". It's not the same situation as the Warder Bond / Ripped-from-TAR issue, but it's similar, and since I was wrong about this particular issue, I'm less certain about the Warder Bond issue than I would have been otherwise.

Actually, the Brandon Q&A is more like body-swap idea - i.e. if Rand's soul changed/swapped bodies, the Warder Bond may remain intact for (presumably) the same reason a stilled/burnout "soul" remains so after Transmigration.

*'Thread' might be a better term than 'soul'. If the soul returned to the soul pool the warder bond would obviously disappear. But if a soul was transmigrated or body-swapped, the warder bond might still stick around.


I agree with the distinction, because of the Brandon Q&A I mentioned above. Transmigration or body-swap might not deactivate the Warder Bond. However, I still think that if the soul went to TAR as a Hero, THAT would break the bond, and therefore Rand would need to be re-bonded if he were subsequently ripped from TAR ala Birgitte.
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attn: Etzel re: theories on the fulfillment of Rand's death prophecies Terez - 12/10/2010 12:35:42 AM 1692 Views
You never noticed the Noteboard feature, did you? newyorkersedai - 12/10/2010 03:37:53 AM 945 Views
Actually, I made it a survey. Terez - 12/10/2010 03:42:16 AM 881 Views
Horn Double Death Knightscape - 12/10/2010 05:30:47 AM 1138 Views
If he dies when called by the Horn... Terez - 12/10/2010 05:34:56 AM 824 Views
Re: If he dies when called by the Horn... Knightscape - 12/10/2010 05:53:53 AM 818 Views
Re: If he dies when called by the Horn... Terez - 12/10/2010 05:55:28 AM 833 Views
I just don't see that as Nynaeve's "area of expertise" darius_sedai - 13/10/2010 10:09:39 PM 905 Views
Nynaeve was the one who witnessed the weave, not Egwene. Terez - 14/10/2010 12:38:14 AM 882 Views
Another Variation on the Horn Knightscape - 13/10/2010 04:28:38 AM 834 Views
There's also the "ripped from TAR after death" theory, ala Birgitte (re how Rand lives again). Shishka - 12/10/2010 04:37:26 PM 938 Views
That be my theory Terez - 12/10/2010 04:45:55 PM 1008 Views
and from all other people Isabel - 12/10/2010 05:33:45 PM 1101 Views
And your point is? *NM* Terez - 12/10/2010 05:35:35 PM 429 Views
It's not specifically your theory. or a theory that you thought of first..... *NM* Isabel - 13/10/2010 04:32:48 PM 417 Views
Nobody said I thought of it first. Terez - 13/10/2010 04:36:45 PM 821 Views
Re: Nobody said I thought of it first. Isabel - 13/10/2010 06:27:29 PM 901 Views
It's the truth. Terez - 13/10/2010 06:29:56 PM 818 Views
Think of it this way, Emma... Terez - 13/10/2010 06:00:11 PM 949 Views
Re: Think of it this way, Emma... *NM* Isabel - 13/10/2010 06:26:09 PM 488 Views
You could at least try not to contradict yourself. Terez - 13/10/2010 06:29:11 PM 816 Views
Me being childish? Isabel - 13/10/2010 06:52:24 PM 865 Views
Some more thoughts ... Shishka - 12/10/2010 05:03:58 PM 1024 Views
I don't think it is necessary that Rand be a public figure as Elayne's husband. Terez - 12/10/2010 05:08:10 PM 852 Views
It's not that I think it's necessary, per se ... Shishka - 12/10/2010 05:44:03 PM 969 Views
On that particular point... Terez - 12/10/2010 06:05:59 PM 970 Views
That's reasonable speculation, I think ... Shishka - 12/10/2010 07:58:23 PM 890 Views
I don't know that Egwene's lack of recognition necessarily means anything... Terez - 12/10/2010 08:07:11 PM 779 Views
Yep, I agree ... Shishka - 12/10/2010 09:18:57 PM 889 Views
I'm not so sure the 'blood on the rocks' isn't a red herring any more. Terez - 13/10/2010 06:23:18 PM 1247 Views
By the way ... Shishka - 12/10/2010 10:07:49 PM 786 Views
But that is not the only prophecy of Rand's death. Terez - 12/10/2010 10:13:50 PM 789 Views
Just playing devil's advocate here ... Shishka - 12/10/2010 10:58:40 PM 970 Views
That raises an interesting question: Gher - 13/10/2010 04:01:17 PM 911 Views
Re: That raises an interesting question: Shishka - 13/10/2010 05:57:39 PM 919 Views
IIRC... Etzel - 12/10/2010 07:58:39 PM 1052 Views
That is unfortunate. Terez - 12/10/2010 08:02:18 PM 874 Views
Switching bodies with Logain is mine. *NM* Tom - 13/10/2010 05:03:43 AM 449 Views
Are we doing that now? I call dibs on Be'laim. Joel - 14/10/2010 04:32:59 PM 950 Views
Body swap or Nynaeve heal seem the best bets to me. Joel - 14/10/2010 04:42:16 PM 870 Views
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