What do you mean how do I know this? Didn't you read the extensive description of the black spikes? Or the way Rand's mind was warded from them?
I mean, how do you figure that Nynaeve should have replicated that rather than develop Healing.
How? We have no idea of the methodology. If we do, I'd like to see a quote for it.
Given that nothing would compel someone to channel within minutes of being Healed, the only way for this to be Healing like Nynaeve is if you for some reason assume that these people would start accessing the Taint even without channeling. This assertion is not credible, therefore, Ishamael was saying that the madness could not be Healed.
Nynaeve's Healing did not make the Asha'man fall back into madness after a few minutes, if so it would have been pretty important to mention, wouldn't it?
But a very critical variable had changed. The taint was no longer around when Nynaeve healed Naeff.
Of course yours is contradicted. Because those Aes Sedai were unable to Heal madness at a time when the taint was around.
Erm, no. There is nothing in the text that contradicts the idea that Aes Sedai were only capable of supressing the effects of the madness without being capable of Healing the madness itself.
Here's a better analogy:
Say a person is in a room filled with a poisonous gas. You know how to treat the inhalation of the gas, and you administer it to this person. The moment you treat, he will immediately breate more bad air and regress again. So you can only give him a few moments of life.
Then, someone removes the poison gas. And I go in and do what you did, only now the man lives on since there is nothing poisoning him after treatment. We're doing the same thing, but having different effects.
You're saying Nynaeve and the older AS had to be doing different things since there were different effects. But you're completely ignoring the one major thing that is different: the taint.
Say a person is in a room filled with a poisonous gas. You know how to treat the inhalation of the gas, and you administer it to this person. The moment you treat, he will immediately breate more bad air and regress again. So you can only give him a few moments of life.
Then, someone removes the poison gas. And I go in and do what you did, only now the man lives on since there is nothing poisoning him after treatment. We're doing the same thing, but having different effects.
You're saying Nynaeve and the older AS had to be doing different things since there were different effects. But you're completely ignoring the one major thing that is different: the taint.
Actually, it is a severely flawed analogy because you presume the subject will be immediately breathing again, which is correct. However, there is no reason that a Healed male channeler would start channeling again within minutes, nor is there any reason to believe that even if those few minutes were constantly spent channeling that it would drive men to a point of madness which has always been shown to require extended and constant use of saidin.
Why is it a flawed analogy? The first things Lews Therin did after being healed is channel. Aes Sedai are addicted to the True Source, especially ones that live for hundreds of years such as in the AOL. Another reason men in the steddings left was because they couldn't stand not channeling. Not that they do it all the time, but it makes sense that a madman who's instantly sane will be fearful and will reach out for the Source.
We also know from the Ash'aman that some men go insane after a few touches of saidin. However, I would agree that this is generally not the case and that it takes months or years in most cases. That said, I do believe that because the taint is akin to Compulsion (as Nynaeve alludes), that someone who has been touched is much more sensitive to the next attack... As displayed by Liandrin when she uses her Compulsion on the shienarin noble in TGH. Therefore a man healed of the taint is sensitive to its effects, and thus the easy relapse.
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Nynaeve's new ability
- 18/11/2010 01:41:38 PM
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Nynaeve's healing seems more permanent, though.
- 18/11/2010 02:19:06 PM
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Re: Nynaeve's healing seems more permanent, though.
- 18/11/2010 02:59:17 PM
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Re: Nynaeve's healing seems more permanent, though.
- 18/11/2010 10:51:02 PM
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funny I was thinking about this just the other day and have much the same opinion
- 18/11/2010 02:19:45 PM
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That's not my interpretation.
- 18/11/2010 06:14:02 PM
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Re: That's not my interpretation.
- 18/11/2010 07:11:02 PM
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Even if we were to accept that as true...
- 18/11/2010 10:55:31 PM
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Maybe...
- 18/11/2010 11:18:08 PM
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Could be...
- 19/11/2010 03:01:35 AM
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None.
- 19/11/2010 03:20:35 AM
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As you wish.
- 19/11/2010 05:24:29 AM
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We're told exactly the opposite...
- 19/11/2010 05:47:31 AM
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Exactly.
- 19/11/2010 06:02:52 AM
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What are you arguing?
- 19/11/2010 06:50:58 AM
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Though I dread doing this, perhaps an analogy?
- 19/11/2010 06:16:30 PM
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You were right to dread...
- 19/11/2010 10:02:05 PM
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- 19/11/2010 10:02:05 PM
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Re: You were right to dread...
- 20/11/2010 06:25:53 PM
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- 20/11/2010 06:25:53 PM
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Re: You were right to dread...
- 20/11/2010 08:18:53 PM
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Re: You were right to dread...
- 21/11/2010 11:34:28 PM
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Re: You were right to dread...
- 22/11/2010 08:36:24 AM
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- 22/11/2010 08:36:24 AM
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I'm not really sure that healing the taint and the mental Restoration AOL Aes Sedai had are the same
- 18/11/2010 10:01:01 PM
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Re: I'm not really sure that healing the taint and the mental Restoration AOL Aes Sedai had
- 18/11/2010 10:41:07 PM
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The answers to your questions are all in the Big White Book and other characters POVs
- 19/11/2010 04:11:03 PM
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Lots of reason to believe that the Taint was much stronger straight after the Breaking
- 26/11/2010 01:24:17 PM
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