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Aviendha's vision doesn't automatically mean the Light will win Ava Send a noteboard - 28/11/2010 05:32:56 PM
All that is left is quickly wrapping up the Last Battle (which we've already been shown is a sure thing, thanks to Aviendha's visions)
While I agree that there's pretty much a 99.9% chance that Rand & co. will defeat the Shadow at the Last Battle, Aviendha's visions aren't proof.

She can only see what will happen "if" the light wins, since if the light doesn't win, there will be no future at all. Same thing as with Min's visions in TGS; visions of events after the last battle hinge on them winning the last battle in the first place, since if they lose there is no more wheel of time and no more pattern.
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Easy life of Lightside heroes and pathetic incompetence of the Shadow - so what's new in Wot... Shannow - 28/11/2010 03:38:14 PM 2782 Views
Re: Easy life of Lightside heroes and pathetic incompetence of the Shadow - so what's new in Wot... Lo'oris - 28/11/2010 04:05:48 PM 1447 Views
Re: Easy life of Lightside heroes and pathetic incompetence of the Shadow - so what's new in Wot... moratcorlm - 29/11/2010 12:27:27 AM 1360 Views
Re: Easy life of Lightside heroes and pathetic incompetence of the Shadow - so what's new in Wot... Lo'oris - 29/11/2010 12:36:49 AM 1343 Views
Re: Easy life of Lightside heroes and pathetic incompetence of the Shadow - so what's new in Wot... moratcorlm - 29/11/2010 01:59:18 AM 1366 Views
Yes, she still lets herself be ruled by her desire to control everything Lord Haart - 29/11/2010 02:39:34 AM 1326 Views
I vote it has come to pass Comet Sedai - 29/11/2010 02:48:26 AM 1191 Views
*facepalm* - good point, not sure how I missed that. *NM* Lord Haart - 29/11/2010 03:12:00 AM 726 Views
Re: I vote it has come to pass Lo'oris - 29/11/2010 09:42:51 AM 1188 Views
Prophecy never said she would be angry at the time, Lord Haart - 29/11/2010 11:36:53 AM 1260 Views
lol true, gg *NM* Lo'oris - 29/11/2010 11:52:54 AM 701 Views
Re: Easy life of Lightside heroes and pathetic incompetence of the Shadow - so what's new in Wot... lodlom - 28/11/2010 04:43:46 PM 1375 Views
Re: Easy life of Lightside heroes and pathetic incompetence of the Shadow - so what's new in Wot... Lo'oris - 28/11/2010 04:49:23 PM 1307 Views
Aviendha's vision doesn't automatically mean the Light will win Ava - 28/11/2010 05:32:56 PM 1607 Views
She doesn't even see that. The arches just show a possibility. LadyLorraine - 29/11/2010 07:12:05 PM 1141 Views
Indeed Sidious - 28/11/2010 06:16:41 PM 1258 Views
am i the only one who acknowledges that it's a jerk deal for jerks newyorkersedai - 28/11/2010 08:00:23 PM 1465 Views
i think most people feel that way Sidious - 29/11/2010 09:06:44 AM 1292 Views
I agree with you darius_sedai - 05/12/2010 05:13:38 PM 1085 Views
Re: am i the only one who acknowledges that it's a jerk deal for jerks RugbyPlayingAshaman - 29/11/2010 06:40:18 PM 1223 Views
And in the interest of fairness, SH should've been all up in Osangar's intimate business newyorkersedai - 29/11/2010 11:34:21 PM 1265 Views
Agreed. The series is formulaic and predictable, and even I expected a few more twists. Tom - 28/11/2010 07:47:10 PM 1336 Views
Good reading for adrenaline junkies, maybe. *NM* moratcorlm - 29/11/2010 12:32:53 AM 755 Views
I'm sure that all the men Ituralde lost would agree with you about it being a breeze -_- Lord Haart - 29/11/2010 12:32:56 AM 1219 Views
Byar was compulsed Comet Sedai - 29/11/2010 12:46:01 AM 1542 Views
I agree that he was part of Graendal's plan, but Lord Haart - 29/11/2010 02:16:45 AM 1173 Views
Re: I agree that he was part of Graendal's plan, but Lo'oris - 29/11/2010 09:44:05 AM 1147 Views
Re: Byar was compulsed Vidarfe - 29/11/2010 12:54:38 PM 1485 Views
Re: Byar was compulsed Lo'oris - 29/11/2010 12:59:31 PM 1202 Views
Re: Byar was compulsed Vidarfe - 29/11/2010 01:10:18 PM 1225 Views
He disbelieves in the Heroes guttering flame - 29/11/2010 03:33:27 PM 1173 Views
I think that's his mind deceiving itself LadyLorraine - 29/11/2010 07:19:05 PM 1228 Views
I didn't say he was necessarily Compulsed guttering flame - 30/11/2010 07:40:51 AM 1137 Views
Do we have his reaction to the Heroes themselves? LadyLorraine - 30/11/2010 11:55:42 AM 1254 Views
Re: Do we have his reaction to the Heroes themselves? guttering flame - 30/11/2010 12:05:44 PM 1115 Views
he makes no mention of the Heroes. LadyLorraine - 30/11/2010 10:42:13 PM 1230 Views
They did get another thing right Fox and Ravens - 29/11/2010 12:40:52 AM 1221 Views
Not Mat's fault, really - Verin didn't rehash her opinion of him. Lord Haart - 29/11/2010 02:18:17 AM 1181 Views
It's the WOT Red Shirt syndrome ajfurst - 29/11/2010 04:29:12 AM 1309 Views
I don't want everyone to win and end up happily ever after though. moratcorlm - 29/11/2010 04:33:06 AM 1204 Views
The disney ending is not realistic - or at least not as believable ajfurst - 29/11/2010 04:41:04 AM 1328 Views
Re: The disney ending is not realistic - or at least not as believable Lo'oris - 29/11/2010 09:50:26 AM 1312 Views
You, good sir, are Team Aan'allein - 30/11/2010 06:53:49 PM 1113 Views
I also think Lan will be saved right before the end. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 29/11/2010 06:50:34 PM 1087 Views
Re: I also think Lan will be saved right before the end. Itachi - 30/11/2010 01:47:27 AM 1219 Views
It's a well told story with fun characters overall, but it's definitely not "War & Peace" RugbyPlayingAshaman - 29/11/2010 06:33:12 PM 1318 Views
+1 *NM* Tom - 29/11/2010 07:18:13 PM 656 Views
it is. I love it anyways, though LadyLorraine - 29/11/2010 07:23:24 PM 1118 Views
War and Peace was very thematic moratcorlm - 30/11/2010 05:00:30 AM 1548 Views
Doublethink for the win! *NM* guttering flame - 30/11/2010 07:35:20 AM 685 Views
Re: War and Peace was very thematic Lo'oris - 30/11/2010 09:35:50 AM 1176 Views
I'm not really sure if or why any reader would need to suspend disbelief to enjoy WoT RugbyPlayingAshaman - 30/11/2010 10:31:49 PM 1164 Views
I've always thought of this series (and fantasy in general) are a bit like Aesop's Fables LadyLorraine - 30/11/2010 10:44:09 PM 1101 Views
Please tell me what drugs you're on Tom - 01/12/2010 04:04:39 AM 1267 Views
It's called 'reality' - I agree with LadyLorraine & Moratcorlm RugbyPlayingAshaman - 01/12/2010 07:57:35 PM 1180 Views
You are absolutely wrong. Tom - 02/12/2010 04:53:52 AM 1149 Views
You are incorrect - you should read the definition you reference before posting it. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 02/12/2010 04:19:16 PM 1267 Views
No, I read the ENTIRE article, unlike you. You have to scroll down a bit. Tom - 02/12/2010 05:47:13 PM 1071 Views
No, you need to read and comprehend. That was a THEORY. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 02/12/2010 07:11:01 PM 984 Views
It's really very simple. Tom - 04/12/2010 12:31:16 AM 1290 Views
mk, I think I understand more what you meant now after reading this exchange LadyLorraine - 05/12/2010 05:42:47 AM 1193 Views
I still don't agree; sorry. I don't think this theory applies to everyone. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 06/12/2010 05:30:41 PM 1286 Views
No, those are disbeliefs that you must suspend. LadyLorraine - 01/12/2010 08:18:25 PM 1090 Views
You have to feel the characters are somehow believable to empathize with them. Tom - 02/12/2010 01:05:29 AM 1133 Views
I don't see how WoT's writing (Before, or now) prevents that LadyLorraine - 02/12/2010 04:12:54 AM 997 Views
I'm not arguing that it necessarily does for everyone, just that YOU HAVE TO SUSPEND DISBELIEF Tom - 02/12/2010 04:48:51 AM 1186 Views
That's a load of crap... fionwe1987 - 02/12/2010 06:03:13 AM 1326 Views
Sure moratcorlm - 01/12/2010 01:30:03 AM 1114 Views
Black Tower Itachi - 30/11/2010 01:50:29 AM 1101 Views
Re: Black Tower RAAM - 30/11/2010 01:57:48 AM 1234 Views
No, the worst case scenario is that the entire tower becomes 13+13'd and fights for the Shadow Lord Haart - 30/11/2010 04:03:07 AM 1053 Views
I agree with everything. Avendesora - 30/11/2010 01:37:11 PM 1397 Views
Hopper's death... oh god... saangrealsmoker - 01/12/2010 01:00:12 AM 1344 Views
while i miss hopper RAAM - 02/12/2010 04:19:28 AM 1134 Views
Re: while i miss hopper saangrealsmoker - 02/12/2010 05:30:52 PM 1239 Views
Hopper wasn't that important, either, though. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 03/12/2010 02:32:10 PM 1047 Views
Re: Hopper wasn't that important, either, though. Lo'oris - 03/12/2010 03:10:54 PM 1091 Views
It would be awesome if it were, though. BlackAdder - 03/12/2010 04:41:42 PM 1217 Views
Re: It would be awesome if it were, though. saangrealsmoker - 04/12/2010 09:54:09 PM 1196 Views
Hopper Aes Sedai - 05/12/2010 07:07:44 AM 1056 Views
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