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Agreed. The series is formulaic and predictable, and even I expected a few more twists. Tom Send a noteboard - 28/11/2010 07:47:10 PM
This is obviously not Sanderson's fault. Sanderson may not develop deep and moving characters, but he's always good at throwing in fun and often unexpected twists.

(Mistborn spoilers start here)

Most people didn't expect that, when Vin killed the Lord Ruler at the end of Book One, that she was actually setting in motion lots of bad consequences for the world. The reader was led to believe that this was a world where "evil won" and that the Lord Ruler was that evil. Instead, it turns out he tried to stop an even worse outcome and sort of botched things. Then, in Book Two, everyone thought Vin needed to release the energy in the Well, but at the end it turns out that was the evil plot to outwit good. By Book Three, good is fighting a desperate (and losing) battle to just keep someone - anyone - alive.

(End spoilers)

By contrast, Wheel of Time has played out pretty much the way everyone expected it to. I was hoping, despite having not seen anything to indicate it, that Jordan had devised some clever and unexpected twists for the last book or two that would change everything and make evil seem less incompetent and good less assured a victory. Towers of Midnight just proved that Jordan is as formulaic as I feared he would be. I've read these books before. It's Lord of the Rings, but without as much competence on evil's side. I've seen movies like this before - it was called Star Wars, and even then the Emperor would have won at the end if Vader didn't turn to good. This series hasn't delivered the big "Oh my God" twists that make for good reading. I got hooked by the earlier books, which were good, and now I'm watching a car wreck and just can't turn away because I need to know what happens.

I agree with every single point about how terrible Towers of Midnight (and the plotline in general) is.
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I vote it has come to pass - 29/11/2010 02:48:26 AM 1528 Views
*facepalm* - good point, not sure how I missed that. *NM* - 29/11/2010 03:12:00 AM 902 Views
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Re: am i the only one who acknowledges that it's a jerk deal for jerks - 29/11/2010 06:40:18 PM 1550 Views
Agreed. The series is formulaic and predictable, and even I expected a few more twists. - 28/11/2010 07:47:10 PM 1728 Views
Good reading for adrenaline junkies, maybe. *NM* - 29/11/2010 12:32:53 AM 951 Views
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Do we have his reaction to the Heroes themselves? - 30/11/2010 11:55:42 AM 1559 Views
Re: Do we have his reaction to the Heroes themselves? - 30/11/2010 12:05:44 PM 1432 Views
he makes no mention of the Heroes. - 30/11/2010 10:42:13 PM 1568 Views
They did get another thing right - 29/11/2010 12:40:52 AM 1552 Views
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Re: I also think Lan will be saved right before the end. - 30/11/2010 01:47:27 AM 1606 Views
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+1 *NM* - 29/11/2010 07:18:13 PM 815 Views
it is. I love it anyways, though - 29/11/2010 07:23:24 PM 1420 Views
War and Peace was very thematic - 30/11/2010 05:00:30 AM 1867 Views
Doublethink for the win! *NM* - 30/11/2010 07:35:20 AM 864 Views
Re: War and Peace was very thematic - 30/11/2010 09:35:50 AM 1503 Views
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It's called 'reality' - I agree with LadyLorraine & Moratcorlm - 01/12/2010 07:57:35 PM 1523 Views
You are absolutely wrong. - 02/12/2010 04:53:52 AM 1498 Views
You are incorrect - you should read the definition you reference before posting it. - 02/12/2010 04:19:16 PM 1628 Views
No, I read the ENTIRE article, unlike you. You have to scroll down a bit. - 02/12/2010 05:47:13 PM 1414 Views
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mk, I think I understand more what you meant now after reading this exchange - 05/12/2010 05:42:47 AM 1509 Views
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No, those are disbeliefs that you must suspend. - 01/12/2010 08:18:25 PM 1417 Views
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That's a load of crap... - 02/12/2010 06:03:13 AM 1677 Views
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Black Tower - 30/11/2010 01:50:29 AM 1425 Views
Re: Black Tower - 30/11/2010 01:57:48 AM 1576 Views
I agree with everything. - 30/11/2010 01:37:11 PM 1758 Views
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while i miss hopper - 02/12/2010 04:19:28 AM 1473 Views
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Hopper wasn't that important, either, though. - 03/12/2010 02:32:10 PM 1358 Views
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It would be awesome if it were, though. - 03/12/2010 04:41:42 PM 1549 Views
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