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Byar was compulsed Comet Sedai Send a noteboard - 29/11/2010 12:46:01 AM
I also found it sad that Dain Bornhold (a good, albeit misguided man) was forced to kill his friend. Byar was probably not even under compulsion - imagine what he was going through. He finds a perfect Child of the Light (Galad) and sees him rise up to being Lord Captain Commander. Then Galad (his friend, mentor and trusted commander) backstabs the group by allying with a known murderer. I still find it hard not to empathize somewhat with Byar, and I find his death pretty tragic in a way.


I agree about the tragedy for Bornhold (but frankly thought it was a great cirlce-is-complete kind of scene). However, Byar was Graendal's last, well-placed tool to kill Perrin. He wasn't a Darkfriend, but he must have been under compulsion. Not from his first appearance in the series, but sometime later. Like Masema (altough I think Masema may have been mind-warped by Demandred, but maybe it was Graendal). His single-minded, irrational hatred of Perrin went way beyond the pale of sanity. He was the 'blasted Whitecloak' whose failure to kill Perrin was the final nail in Graendal's coffin.
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Easy life of Lightside heroes and pathetic incompetence of the Shadow - so what's new in Wot... Shannow - 28/11/2010 03:38:14 PM 2808 Views
Re: Easy life of Lightside heroes and pathetic incompetence of the Shadow - so what's new in Wot... Lo'oris - 28/11/2010 04:05:48 PM 1471 Views
Re: Easy life of Lightside heroes and pathetic incompetence of the Shadow - so what's new in Wot... moratcorlm - 29/11/2010 12:27:27 AM 1382 Views
Re: Easy life of Lightside heroes and pathetic incompetence of the Shadow - so what's new in Wot... Lo'oris - 29/11/2010 12:36:49 AM 1370 Views
Re: Easy life of Lightside heroes and pathetic incompetence of the Shadow - so what's new in Wot... moratcorlm - 29/11/2010 01:59:18 AM 1391 Views
Yes, she still lets herself be ruled by her desire to control everything Lord Haart - 29/11/2010 02:39:34 AM 1350 Views
I vote it has come to pass Comet Sedai - 29/11/2010 02:48:26 AM 1217 Views
*facepalm* - good point, not sure how I missed that. *NM* Lord Haart - 29/11/2010 03:12:00 AM 740 Views
Re: I vote it has come to pass Lo'oris - 29/11/2010 09:42:51 AM 1215 Views
Prophecy never said she would be angry at the time, Lord Haart - 29/11/2010 11:36:53 AM 1283 Views
lol true, gg *NM* Lo'oris - 29/11/2010 11:52:54 AM 717 Views
Re: Easy life of Lightside heroes and pathetic incompetence of the Shadow - so what's new in Wot... lodlom - 28/11/2010 04:43:46 PM 1400 Views
Re: Easy life of Lightside heroes and pathetic incompetence of the Shadow - so what's new in Wot... Lo'oris - 28/11/2010 04:49:23 PM 1332 Views
Aviendha's vision doesn't automatically mean the Light will win Ava - 28/11/2010 05:32:56 PM 1634 Views
She doesn't even see that. The arches just show a possibility. LadyLorraine - 29/11/2010 07:12:05 PM 1163 Views
Indeed Sidious - 28/11/2010 06:16:41 PM 1285 Views
am i the only one who acknowledges that it's a jerk deal for jerks newyorkersedai - 28/11/2010 08:00:23 PM 1490 Views
i think most people feel that way Sidious - 29/11/2010 09:06:44 AM 1317 Views
I agree with you darius_sedai - 05/12/2010 05:13:38 PM 1108 Views
Re: am i the only one who acknowledges that it's a jerk deal for jerks RugbyPlayingAshaman - 29/11/2010 06:40:18 PM 1248 Views
And in the interest of fairness, SH should've been all up in Osangar's intimate business newyorkersedai - 29/11/2010 11:34:21 PM 1284 Views
Agreed. The series is formulaic and predictable, and even I expected a few more twists. Tom - 28/11/2010 07:47:10 PM 1359 Views
Good reading for adrenaline junkies, maybe. *NM* moratcorlm - 29/11/2010 12:32:53 AM 770 Views
I'm sure that all the men Ituralde lost would agree with you about it being a breeze -_- Lord Haart - 29/11/2010 12:32:56 AM 1241 Views
Byar was compulsed Comet Sedai - 29/11/2010 12:46:01 AM 1568 Views
I agree that he was part of Graendal's plan, but Lord Haart - 29/11/2010 02:16:45 AM 1197 Views
Re: I agree that he was part of Graendal's plan, but Lo'oris - 29/11/2010 09:44:05 AM 1172 Views
Re: Byar was compulsed Vidarfe - 29/11/2010 12:54:38 PM 1509 Views
Re: Byar was compulsed Lo'oris - 29/11/2010 12:59:31 PM 1226 Views
Re: Byar was compulsed Vidarfe - 29/11/2010 01:10:18 PM 1254 Views
He disbelieves in the Heroes guttering flame - 29/11/2010 03:33:27 PM 1196 Views
I think that's his mind deceiving itself LadyLorraine - 29/11/2010 07:19:05 PM 1253 Views
I didn't say he was necessarily Compulsed guttering flame - 30/11/2010 07:40:51 AM 1161 Views
Do we have his reaction to the Heroes themselves? LadyLorraine - 30/11/2010 11:55:42 AM 1277 Views
Re: Do we have his reaction to the Heroes themselves? guttering flame - 30/11/2010 12:05:44 PM 1140 Views
he makes no mention of the Heroes. LadyLorraine - 30/11/2010 10:42:13 PM 1254 Views
They did get another thing right Fox and Ravens - 29/11/2010 12:40:52 AM 1246 Views
Not Mat's fault, really - Verin didn't rehash her opinion of him. Lord Haart - 29/11/2010 02:18:17 AM 1202 Views
It's the WOT Red Shirt syndrome ajfurst - 29/11/2010 04:29:12 AM 1333 Views
I don't want everyone to win and end up happily ever after though. moratcorlm - 29/11/2010 04:33:06 AM 1226 Views
The disney ending is not realistic - or at least not as believable ajfurst - 29/11/2010 04:41:04 AM 1352 Views
Re: The disney ending is not realistic - or at least not as believable Lo'oris - 29/11/2010 09:50:26 AM 1335 Views
You, good sir, are Team Aan'allein - 30/11/2010 06:53:49 PM 1139 Views
I also think Lan will be saved right before the end. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 29/11/2010 06:50:34 PM 1113 Views
Re: I also think Lan will be saved right before the end. Itachi - 30/11/2010 01:47:27 AM 1239 Views
It's a well told story with fun characters overall, but it's definitely not "War & Peace" RugbyPlayingAshaman - 29/11/2010 06:33:12 PM 1340 Views
+1 *NM* Tom - 29/11/2010 07:18:13 PM 666 Views
it is. I love it anyways, though LadyLorraine - 29/11/2010 07:23:24 PM 1137 Views
War and Peace was very thematic moratcorlm - 30/11/2010 05:00:30 AM 1569 Views
Doublethink for the win! *NM* guttering flame - 30/11/2010 07:35:20 AM 700 Views
Re: War and Peace was very thematic Lo'oris - 30/11/2010 09:35:50 AM 1199 Views
I'm not really sure if or why any reader would need to suspend disbelief to enjoy WoT RugbyPlayingAshaman - 30/11/2010 10:31:49 PM 1187 Views
I've always thought of this series (and fantasy in general) are a bit like Aesop's Fables LadyLorraine - 30/11/2010 10:44:09 PM 1122 Views
Please tell me what drugs you're on Tom - 01/12/2010 04:04:39 AM 1289 Views
It's called 'reality' - I agree with LadyLorraine & Moratcorlm RugbyPlayingAshaman - 01/12/2010 07:57:35 PM 1203 Views
You are absolutely wrong. Tom - 02/12/2010 04:53:52 AM 1171 Views
You are incorrect - you should read the definition you reference before posting it. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 02/12/2010 04:19:16 PM 1289 Views
No, I read the ENTIRE article, unlike you. You have to scroll down a bit. Tom - 02/12/2010 05:47:13 PM 1096 Views
No, you need to read and comprehend. That was a THEORY. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 02/12/2010 07:11:01 PM 1004 Views
It's really very simple. Tom - 04/12/2010 12:31:16 AM 1312 Views
mk, I think I understand more what you meant now after reading this exchange LadyLorraine - 05/12/2010 05:42:47 AM 1214 Views
I still don't agree; sorry. I don't think this theory applies to everyone. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 06/12/2010 05:30:41 PM 1308 Views
No, those are disbeliefs that you must suspend. LadyLorraine - 01/12/2010 08:18:25 PM 1114 Views
You have to feel the characters are somehow believable to empathize with them. Tom - 02/12/2010 01:05:29 AM 1155 Views
I don't see how WoT's writing (Before, or now) prevents that LadyLorraine - 02/12/2010 04:12:54 AM 1017 Views
I'm not arguing that it necessarily does for everyone, just that YOU HAVE TO SUSPEND DISBELIEF Tom - 02/12/2010 04:48:51 AM 1207 Views
That's a load of crap... fionwe1987 - 02/12/2010 06:03:13 AM 1349 Views
Sure moratcorlm - 01/12/2010 01:30:03 AM 1138 Views
Black Tower Itachi - 30/11/2010 01:50:29 AM 1125 Views
Re: Black Tower RAAM - 30/11/2010 01:57:48 AM 1259 Views
No, the worst case scenario is that the entire tower becomes 13+13'd and fights for the Shadow Lord Haart - 30/11/2010 04:03:07 AM 1074 Views
I agree with everything. Avendesora - 30/11/2010 01:37:11 PM 1425 Views
Hopper's death... oh god... saangrealsmoker - 01/12/2010 01:00:12 AM 1367 Views
while i miss hopper RAAM - 02/12/2010 04:19:28 AM 1163 Views
Re: while i miss hopper saangrealsmoker - 02/12/2010 05:30:52 PM 1263 Views
Hopper wasn't that important, either, though. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 03/12/2010 02:32:10 PM 1071 Views
Re: Hopper wasn't that important, either, though. Lo'oris - 03/12/2010 03:10:54 PM 1113 Views
It would be awesome if it were, though. BlackAdder - 03/12/2010 04:41:42 PM 1244 Views
Re: It would be awesome if it were, though. saangrealsmoker - 04/12/2010 09:54:09 PM 1218 Views
Hopper Aes Sedai - 05/12/2010 07:07:44 AM 1077 Views
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