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Byar was compulsed Comet Sedai Send a noteboard - 29/11/2010 12:46:01 AM
I also found it sad that Dain Bornhold (a good, albeit misguided man) was forced to kill his friend. Byar was probably not even under compulsion - imagine what he was going through. He finds a perfect Child of the Light (Galad) and sees him rise up to being Lord Captain Commander. Then Galad (his friend, mentor and trusted commander) backstabs the group by allying with a known murderer. I still find it hard not to empathize somewhat with Byar, and I find his death pretty tragic in a way.


I agree about the tragedy for Bornhold (but frankly thought it was a great cirlce-is-complete kind of scene). However, Byar was Graendal's last, well-placed tool to kill Perrin. He wasn't a Darkfriend, but he must have been under compulsion. Not from his first appearance in the series, but sometime later. Like Masema (altough I think Masema may have been mind-warped by Demandred, but maybe it was Graendal). His single-minded, irrational hatred of Perrin went way beyond the pale of sanity. He was the 'blasted Whitecloak' whose failure to kill Perrin was the final nail in Graendal's coffin.
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Easy life of Lightside heroes and pathetic incompetence of the Shadow - so what's new in Wot... Shannow - 28/11/2010 03:38:14 PM 2994 Views
Re: Easy life of Lightside heroes and pathetic incompetence of the Shadow - so what's new in Wot... Lo'oris - 28/11/2010 04:05:48 PM 1625 Views
Re: Easy life of Lightside heroes and pathetic incompetence of the Shadow - so what's new in Wot... moratcorlm - 29/11/2010 12:27:27 AM 1541 Views
Re: Easy life of Lightside heroes and pathetic incompetence of the Shadow - so what's new in Wot... Lo'oris - 29/11/2010 12:36:49 AM 1521 Views
Re: Easy life of Lightside heroes and pathetic incompetence of the Shadow - so what's new in Wot... moratcorlm - 29/11/2010 01:59:18 AM 1555 Views
Yes, she still lets herself be ruled by her desire to control everything Lord Haart - 29/11/2010 02:39:34 AM 1534 Views
I vote it has come to pass Comet Sedai - 29/11/2010 02:48:26 AM 1379 Views
*facepalm* - good point, not sure how I missed that. *NM* Lord Haart - 29/11/2010 03:12:00 AM 810 Views
Re: I vote it has come to pass Lo'oris - 29/11/2010 09:42:51 AM 1390 Views
Prophecy never said she would be angry at the time, Lord Haart - 29/11/2010 11:36:53 AM 1436 Views
lol true, gg *NM* Lo'oris - 29/11/2010 11:52:54 AM 796 Views
Re: Easy life of Lightside heroes and pathetic incompetence of the Shadow - so what's new in Wot... lodlom - 28/11/2010 04:43:46 PM 1537 Views
Re: Easy life of Lightside heroes and pathetic incompetence of the Shadow - so what's new in Wot... Lo'oris - 28/11/2010 04:49:23 PM 1519 Views
Aviendha's vision doesn't automatically mean the Light will win Ava - 28/11/2010 05:32:56 PM 1790 Views
She doesn't even see that. The arches just show a possibility. LadyLorraine - 29/11/2010 07:12:05 PM 1348 Views
Indeed Sidious - 28/11/2010 06:16:41 PM 1428 Views
am i the only one who acknowledges that it's a jerk deal for jerks newyorkersedai - 28/11/2010 08:00:23 PM 1667 Views
i think most people feel that way Sidious - 29/11/2010 09:06:44 AM 1474 Views
I agree with you darius_sedai - 05/12/2010 05:13:38 PM 1250 Views
Re: am i the only one who acknowledges that it's a jerk deal for jerks RugbyPlayingAshaman - 29/11/2010 06:40:18 PM 1395 Views
And in the interest of fairness, SH should've been all up in Osangar's intimate business newyorkersedai - 29/11/2010 11:34:21 PM 1431 Views
Agreed. The series is formulaic and predictable, and even I expected a few more twists. Tom - 28/11/2010 07:47:10 PM 1542 Views
Good reading for adrenaline junkies, maybe. *NM* moratcorlm - 29/11/2010 12:32:53 AM 867 Views
I'm sure that all the men Ituralde lost would agree with you about it being a breeze -_- Lord Haart - 29/11/2010 12:32:56 AM 1380 Views
Byar was compulsed Comet Sedai - 29/11/2010 12:46:01 AM 1722 Views
I agree that he was part of Graendal's plan, but Lord Haart - 29/11/2010 02:16:45 AM 1363 Views
Re: I agree that he was part of Graendal's plan, but Lo'oris - 29/11/2010 09:44:05 AM 1320 Views
Re: Byar was compulsed Vidarfe - 29/11/2010 12:54:38 PM 1680 Views
Re: Byar was compulsed Lo'oris - 29/11/2010 12:59:31 PM 1384 Views
Re: Byar was compulsed Vidarfe - 29/11/2010 01:10:18 PM 1477 Views
He disbelieves in the Heroes guttering flame - 29/11/2010 03:33:27 PM 1345 Views
I think that's his mind deceiving itself LadyLorraine - 29/11/2010 07:19:05 PM 1416 Views
I didn't say he was necessarily Compulsed guttering flame - 30/11/2010 07:40:51 AM 1317 Views
Do we have his reaction to the Heroes themselves? LadyLorraine - 30/11/2010 11:55:42 AM 1412 Views
Re: Do we have his reaction to the Heroes themselves? guttering flame - 30/11/2010 12:05:44 PM 1286 Views
he makes no mention of the Heroes. LadyLorraine - 30/11/2010 10:42:13 PM 1389 Views
They did get another thing right Fox and Ravens - 29/11/2010 12:40:52 AM 1389 Views
Not Mat's fault, really - Verin didn't rehash her opinion of him. Lord Haart - 29/11/2010 02:18:17 AM 1350 Views
It's the WOT Red Shirt syndrome ajfurst - 29/11/2010 04:29:12 AM 1487 Views
I don't want everyone to win and end up happily ever after though. moratcorlm - 29/11/2010 04:33:06 AM 1372 Views
The disney ending is not realistic - or at least not as believable ajfurst - 29/11/2010 04:41:04 AM 1503 Views
Re: The disney ending is not realistic - or at least not as believable Lo'oris - 29/11/2010 09:50:26 AM 1464 Views
You, good sir, are Team Aan'allein - 30/11/2010 06:53:49 PM 1307 Views
I also think Lan will be saved right before the end. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 29/11/2010 06:50:34 PM 1290 Views
Re: I also think Lan will be saved right before the end. Itachi - 30/11/2010 01:47:27 AM 1430 Views
It's a well told story with fun characters overall, but it's definitely not "War & Peace" RugbyPlayingAshaman - 29/11/2010 06:33:12 PM 1472 Views
+1 *NM* Tom - 29/11/2010 07:18:13 PM 728 Views
it is. I love it anyways, though LadyLorraine - 29/11/2010 07:23:24 PM 1275 Views
War and Peace was very thematic moratcorlm - 30/11/2010 05:00:30 AM 1729 Views
Doublethink for the win! *NM* guttering flame - 30/11/2010 07:35:20 AM 768 Views
Re: War and Peace was very thematic Lo'oris - 30/11/2010 09:35:50 AM 1366 Views
I'm not really sure if or why any reader would need to suspend disbelief to enjoy WoT RugbyPlayingAshaman - 30/11/2010 10:31:49 PM 1343 Views
I've always thought of this series (and fantasy in general) are a bit like Aesop's Fables LadyLorraine - 30/11/2010 10:44:09 PM 1268 Views
Please tell me what drugs you're on Tom - 01/12/2010 04:04:39 AM 1458 Views
It's called 'reality' - I agree with LadyLorraine & Moratcorlm RugbyPlayingAshaman - 01/12/2010 07:57:35 PM 1354 Views
You are absolutely wrong. Tom - 02/12/2010 04:53:52 AM 1333 Views
You are incorrect - you should read the definition you reference before posting it. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 02/12/2010 04:19:16 PM 1472 Views
No, I read the ENTIRE article, unlike you. You have to scroll down a bit. Tom - 02/12/2010 05:47:13 PM 1248 Views
No, you need to read and comprehend. That was a THEORY. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 02/12/2010 07:11:01 PM 1179 Views
It's really very simple. Tom - 04/12/2010 12:31:16 AM 1511 Views
mk, I think I understand more what you meant now after reading this exchange LadyLorraine - 05/12/2010 05:42:47 AM 1365 Views
I still don't agree; sorry. I don't think this theory applies to everyone. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 06/12/2010 05:30:41 PM 1480 Views
No, those are disbeliefs that you must suspend. LadyLorraine - 01/12/2010 08:18:25 PM 1258 Views
You have to feel the characters are somehow believable to empathize with them. Tom - 02/12/2010 01:05:29 AM 1327 Views
I don't see how WoT's writing (Before, or now) prevents that LadyLorraine - 02/12/2010 04:12:54 AM 1157 Views
I'm not arguing that it necessarily does for everyone, just that YOU HAVE TO SUSPEND DISBELIEF Tom - 02/12/2010 04:48:51 AM 1346 Views
That's a load of crap... fionwe1987 - 02/12/2010 06:03:13 AM 1500 Views
Sure moratcorlm - 01/12/2010 01:30:03 AM 1304 Views
Black Tower Itachi - 30/11/2010 01:50:29 AM 1270 Views
Re: Black Tower RAAM - 30/11/2010 01:57:48 AM 1424 Views
No, the worst case scenario is that the entire tower becomes 13+13'd and fights for the Shadow Lord Haart - 30/11/2010 04:03:07 AM 1235 Views
I agree with everything. Avendesora - 30/11/2010 01:37:11 PM 1604 Views
Hopper's death... oh god... saangrealsmoker - 01/12/2010 01:00:12 AM 1551 Views
while i miss hopper RAAM - 02/12/2010 04:19:28 AM 1304 Views
Re: while i miss hopper saangrealsmoker - 02/12/2010 05:30:52 PM 1431 Views
Hopper wasn't that important, either, though. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 03/12/2010 02:32:10 PM 1215 Views
Re: Hopper wasn't that important, either, though. Lo'oris - 03/12/2010 03:10:54 PM 1267 Views
It would be awesome if it were, though. BlackAdder - 03/12/2010 04:41:42 PM 1395 Views
Re: It would be awesome if it were, though. saangrealsmoker - 04/12/2010 09:54:09 PM 1360 Views
Hopper Aes Sedai - 05/12/2010 07:07:44 AM 1233 Views
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