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Re: Do we have his reaction to the Heroes themselves? guttering flame Send a noteboard - 30/11/2010 12:05:44 PM
Or only his retelling?

Even if something is "off", I don't think he's evil, or even insane. Just very misguided as to what "goodness" in Randland is.


From the Great Hunt:

Gaunt face set with grim purpose, Byar galloped with the sinking sun behind him and never looked back. He had seen all he needed to, all he could with that accursed fog. The legion was dead, Lord Captain Geofram Bornhald was dead, and there was only one explanation for that; Darkfriends had betrayed them, Darkfriends like that Perrin of the Two Rivers. That word he had to carry to Dain Bornhald, the Lord Captain’s son, with the Children of the Light watching Tar Valon. But he had worse to tell, and to none less than Pedron Niall himself. He had to tell what he had seen in the sky above Falme. He flogged his horse with his reins and never looked back.


There's also his reports about what he saw in the later books.
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Easy life of Lightside heroes and pathetic incompetence of the Shadow - so what's new in Wot... Shannow - 28/11/2010 03:38:14 PM 2956 Views
Re: Easy life of Lightside heroes and pathetic incompetence of the Shadow - so what's new in Wot... Lo'oris - 28/11/2010 04:05:48 PM 1589 Views
Re: Easy life of Lightside heroes and pathetic incompetence of the Shadow - so what's new in Wot... moratcorlm - 29/11/2010 12:27:27 AM 1512 Views
Re: Easy life of Lightside heroes and pathetic incompetence of the Shadow - so what's new in Wot... Lo'oris - 29/11/2010 12:36:49 AM 1488 Views
Re: Easy life of Lightside heroes and pathetic incompetence of the Shadow - so what's new in Wot... moratcorlm - 29/11/2010 01:59:18 AM 1519 Views
Yes, she still lets herself be ruled by her desire to control everything Lord Haart - 29/11/2010 02:39:34 AM 1501 Views
I vote it has come to pass Comet Sedai - 29/11/2010 02:48:26 AM 1347 Views
*facepalm* - good point, not sure how I missed that. *NM* Lord Haart - 29/11/2010 03:12:00 AM 799 Views
Re: I vote it has come to pass Lo'oris - 29/11/2010 09:42:51 AM 1359 Views
Prophecy never said she would be angry at the time, Lord Haart - 29/11/2010 11:36:53 AM 1407 Views
lol true, gg *NM* Lo'oris - 29/11/2010 11:52:54 AM 786 Views
Re: Easy life of Lightside heroes and pathetic incompetence of the Shadow - so what's new in Wot... lodlom - 28/11/2010 04:43:46 PM 1514 Views
Re: Easy life of Lightside heroes and pathetic incompetence of the Shadow - so what's new in Wot... Lo'oris - 28/11/2010 04:49:23 PM 1491 Views
Aviendha's vision doesn't automatically mean the Light will win Ava - 28/11/2010 05:32:56 PM 1764 Views
She doesn't even see that. The arches just show a possibility. LadyLorraine - 29/11/2010 07:12:05 PM 1319 Views
Indeed Sidious - 28/11/2010 06:16:41 PM 1407 Views
am i the only one who acknowledges that it's a jerk deal for jerks newyorkersedai - 28/11/2010 08:00:23 PM 1632 Views
i think most people feel that way Sidious - 29/11/2010 09:06:44 AM 1447 Views
I agree with you darius_sedai - 05/12/2010 05:13:38 PM 1227 Views
Re: am i the only one who acknowledges that it's a jerk deal for jerks RugbyPlayingAshaman - 29/11/2010 06:40:18 PM 1358 Views
And in the interest of fairness, SH should've been all up in Osangar's intimate business newyorkersedai - 29/11/2010 11:34:21 PM 1397 Views
Agreed. The series is formulaic and predictable, and even I expected a few more twists. Tom - 28/11/2010 07:47:10 PM 1500 Views
Good reading for adrenaline junkies, maybe. *NM* moratcorlm - 29/11/2010 12:32:53 AM 854 Views
I'm sure that all the men Ituralde lost would agree with you about it being a breeze -_- Lord Haart - 29/11/2010 12:32:56 AM 1354 Views
Byar was compulsed Comet Sedai - 29/11/2010 12:46:01 AM 1683 Views
I agree that he was part of Graendal's plan, but Lord Haart - 29/11/2010 02:16:45 AM 1335 Views
Re: I agree that he was part of Graendal's plan, but Lo'oris - 29/11/2010 09:44:05 AM 1295 Views
Re: Byar was compulsed Vidarfe - 29/11/2010 12:54:38 PM 1634 Views
Re: Byar was compulsed Lo'oris - 29/11/2010 12:59:31 PM 1355 Views
Re: Byar was compulsed Vidarfe - 29/11/2010 01:10:18 PM 1450 Views
He disbelieves in the Heroes guttering flame - 29/11/2010 03:33:27 PM 1315 Views
I think that's his mind deceiving itself LadyLorraine - 29/11/2010 07:19:05 PM 1378 Views
I didn't say he was necessarily Compulsed guttering flame - 30/11/2010 07:40:51 AM 1294 Views
Do we have his reaction to the Heroes themselves? LadyLorraine - 30/11/2010 11:55:42 AM 1384 Views
Re: Do we have his reaction to the Heroes themselves? guttering flame - 30/11/2010 12:05:44 PM 1257 Views
he makes no mention of the Heroes. LadyLorraine - 30/11/2010 10:42:13 PM 1362 Views
They did get another thing right Fox and Ravens - 29/11/2010 12:40:52 AM 1360 Views
Not Mat's fault, really - Verin didn't rehash her opinion of him. Lord Haart - 29/11/2010 02:18:17 AM 1322 Views
It's the WOT Red Shirt syndrome ajfurst - 29/11/2010 04:29:12 AM 1459 Views
I don't want everyone to win and end up happily ever after though. moratcorlm - 29/11/2010 04:33:06 AM 1339 Views
The disney ending is not realistic - or at least not as believable ajfurst - 29/11/2010 04:41:04 AM 1482 Views
Re: The disney ending is not realistic - or at least not as believable Lo'oris - 29/11/2010 09:50:26 AM 1443 Views
You, good sir, are Team Aan'allein - 30/11/2010 06:53:49 PM 1277 Views
I also think Lan will be saved right before the end. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 29/11/2010 06:50:34 PM 1265 Views
Re: I also think Lan will be saved right before the end. Itachi - 30/11/2010 01:47:27 AM 1390 Views
It's a well told story with fun characters overall, but it's definitely not "War & Peace" RugbyPlayingAshaman - 29/11/2010 06:33:12 PM 1445 Views
+1 *NM* Tom - 29/11/2010 07:18:13 PM 718 Views
it is. I love it anyways, though LadyLorraine - 29/11/2010 07:23:24 PM 1253 Views
War and Peace was very thematic moratcorlm - 30/11/2010 05:00:30 AM 1701 Views
Doublethink for the win! *NM* guttering flame - 30/11/2010 07:35:20 AM 756 Views
Re: War and Peace was very thematic Lo'oris - 30/11/2010 09:35:50 AM 1335 Views
I'm not really sure if or why any reader would need to suspend disbelief to enjoy WoT RugbyPlayingAshaman - 30/11/2010 10:31:49 PM 1310 Views
I've always thought of this series (and fantasy in general) are a bit like Aesop's Fables LadyLorraine - 30/11/2010 10:44:09 PM 1242 Views
Please tell me what drugs you're on Tom - 01/12/2010 04:04:39 AM 1430 Views
It's called 'reality' - I agree with LadyLorraine & Moratcorlm RugbyPlayingAshaman - 01/12/2010 07:57:35 PM 1320 Views
You are absolutely wrong. Tom - 02/12/2010 04:53:52 AM 1301 Views
You are incorrect - you should read the definition you reference before posting it. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 02/12/2010 04:19:16 PM 1447 Views
No, I read the ENTIRE article, unlike you. You have to scroll down a bit. Tom - 02/12/2010 05:47:13 PM 1223 Views
No, you need to read and comprehend. That was a THEORY. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 02/12/2010 07:11:01 PM 1142 Views
It's really very simple. Tom - 04/12/2010 12:31:16 AM 1480 Views
mk, I think I understand more what you meant now after reading this exchange LadyLorraine - 05/12/2010 05:42:47 AM 1335 Views
I still don't agree; sorry. I don't think this theory applies to everyone. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 06/12/2010 05:30:41 PM 1446 Views
No, those are disbeliefs that you must suspend. LadyLorraine - 01/12/2010 08:18:25 PM 1226 Views
You have to feel the characters are somehow believable to empathize with them. Tom - 02/12/2010 01:05:29 AM 1298 Views
I don't see how WoT's writing (Before, or now) prevents that LadyLorraine - 02/12/2010 04:12:54 AM 1132 Views
I'm not arguing that it necessarily does for everyone, just that YOU HAVE TO SUSPEND DISBELIEF Tom - 02/12/2010 04:48:51 AM 1317 Views
That's a load of crap... fionwe1987 - 02/12/2010 06:03:13 AM 1468 Views
Sure moratcorlm - 01/12/2010 01:30:03 AM 1268 Views
Black Tower Itachi - 30/11/2010 01:50:29 AM 1248 Views
Re: Black Tower RAAM - 30/11/2010 01:57:48 AM 1393 Views
No, the worst case scenario is that the entire tower becomes 13+13'd and fights for the Shadow Lord Haart - 30/11/2010 04:03:07 AM 1208 Views
I agree with everything. Avendesora - 30/11/2010 01:37:11 PM 1571 Views
Hopper's death... oh god... saangrealsmoker - 01/12/2010 01:00:12 AM 1516 Views
while i miss hopper RAAM - 02/12/2010 04:19:28 AM 1274 Views
Re: while i miss hopper saangrealsmoker - 02/12/2010 05:30:52 PM 1399 Views
Hopper wasn't that important, either, though. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 03/12/2010 02:32:10 PM 1189 Views
Re: Hopper wasn't that important, either, though. Lo'oris - 03/12/2010 03:10:54 PM 1238 Views
It would be awesome if it were, though. BlackAdder - 03/12/2010 04:41:42 PM 1366 Views
Re: It would be awesome if it were, though. saangrealsmoker - 04/12/2010 09:54:09 PM 1331 Views
Hopper Aes Sedai - 05/12/2010 07:07:44 AM 1206 Views
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