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She was always going to have to swear the Oaths redqueen Send a noteboard - 07/12/2010 04:42:59 PM
The problem with the scenario as far as Nynaeve went was the presmuption of her inferiority because she did not take the test, but there is no reason she should have been able to tell them where to shove their Oath Rod. She was already Aes Sedai.


Unfortunately while this is technically true, it is also irrelevant. She might have been Aes Sedai as far as the law was concerned, but if the other Aes Sedai don't accept her as such, the law doesn't matter. Call it compromise or realpolitik, but Nynaeve had to swear the Oaths, unless she wanted to spend years being treated worse than Daigan.

And I don't meant this as a defence of the Oaths - I agree that they're mostly useless, certainly not worth the cost of half a lifetime.

The status of an Aes Sedai once conferred is a general acceptance by the White Tower, and NOT a gift to be handed out or taken away by the Amyrlin Seat, even if she has final approval over the granting of that status. As an issue of the Tower, it can, or should, only be issued or revoked by the law of the Tower, and not any particular individual's whim.


Do you mean that Egwene had no business raising she, Elayne, Theodrin and Faolain in the first place? If so I don't disagree - she did it out of political necessity, but it set a disturbing precedent. I'm not convinced it was even legal - can an Amyrlin's decree contradict established law? - in which case the four of them were never Aes Sedai at all. On the other hand, when the White Tower was first being formed out of the many groups then that called themselves Aes Sedai, they tended to absorb their competitors, where they could. Perhaps, in changing how a woman could become Aes Sedai, Egwene was trying to pave the way for bringing Wise Ones and Windfinders and the rest into the Tower.
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Nynaeve should not have been made to swear the Oaths - 07/12/2010 03:12:00 PM 1841 Views
Re: Nynaeve should not have been made to swear the Oaths - 07/12/2010 03:22:49 PM 1064 Views
Re: Nynaeve should not have been made to swear the Oaths - 07/12/2010 10:44:01 PM 832 Views
*shrugs* ... the oaths are lame and so full of holes the only value they bring is - 07/12/2010 03:26:21 PM 837 Views
I wonder what would have happened if she refused and left the tower entirely. - 07/12/2010 03:30:58 PM 831 Views
I doubt they would have stopped her ... but there was no real reason for her to refuse the - 07/12/2010 03:34:20 PM 788 Views
no there wasn't a real reason for her to refuse. It'd still be interesting if she did *NM* - 07/12/2010 03:37:45 PM 389 Views
would have made for an interesting spin on the plot - 07/12/2010 05:37:31 PM 793 Views
How is she not a lead? - 07/12/2010 06:25:45 PM 755 Views
She has never really had her own unique plot line - 07/12/2010 06:34:40 PM 723 Views
I'm going to have to disagree with you on that - 07/12/2010 07:46:08 PM 777 Views
Nothing to really argue here except perspective ... to each their own *NM* - 07/12/2010 10:26:04 PM 384 Views
Re: *shrugs* ... the oaths are lame and so full of holes the only value they bring is - 07/12/2010 10:49:12 PM 809 Views
I think that is true of the testing not the Oaths - 08/12/2010 05:08:22 PM 740 Views
she shouldn't have, although I think they should trash the oaths in general - 07/12/2010 03:29:21 PM 753 Views
agreed! and I think Nynaeve's testing rather proved that point - 07/12/2010 03:35:38 PM 813 Views
Especially since Egwene herself didn't really think it necessary for herself to take the tests - 07/12/2010 03:43:18 PM 787 Views
well it looks like such a coalition is part of the plan - 07/12/2010 03:47:03 PM 775 Views
I meant one that would destroy the White Tower - 07/12/2010 03:53:35 PM 834 Views
ahh I see. well maybe they shall - 07/12/2010 04:00:52 PM 737 Views
She was always going to have to swear the Oaths - 07/12/2010 04:42:59 PM 770 Views
Good old political necessity - 07/12/2010 06:29:26 PM 665 Views
Amyrlin's decree - 07/12/2010 09:56:51 PM 754 Views
Brace yourselves, everybody... - 08/12/2010 02:56:43 PM 701 Views
Ooops, double post! *NM* - 08/12/2010 02:58:01 PM 381 Views
And what? To miss all the awesomeness she had before/during/after the test? - 07/12/2010 06:27:23 PM 720 Views
I agree about the test, kind of. The Oaths was going too far. - 07/12/2010 07:02:43 PM 878 Views
Re: I agree about the test, kind of. The Oaths was going too far. - 16/12/2010 10:40:39 AM 621 Views
And yet people keep choosing donuts over lettuce *NM* - 16/12/2010 10:47:04 AM 404 Views
It's supposed to be a required part of being Aes Sedai. - 08/12/2010 08:52:34 AM 690 Views
Has Egwene swore the Oaths? - 08/12/2010 03:11:37 PM 812 Views
Yes - she swore on the Oath Rod in TGS. *NM* - 08/12/2010 03:22:31 PM 432 Views
Love Nynaeve... - 10/12/2010 09:49:13 AM 700 Views
On the contrary, being Aes Sedai means she had to swear the Oaths. - 14/12/2010 04:53:28 AM 683 Views
Re: On the contrary, being Aes Sedai means she had to swear the Oaths. - 14/12/2010 11:53:43 AM 751 Views
Passing your scars on - 14/12/2010 07:07:43 PM 607 Views
Re: Passing your scars on - 14/12/2010 10:45:01 PM 778 Views
Actually I'm not being flippant - 15/12/2010 05:58:22 AM 707 Views
So? - 15/12/2010 11:40:32 AM 772 Views

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