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gai'shain aren't really comparable to damane BlackAdder Send a noteboard - 08/12/2010 10:02:54 PM
Readers seem to miss the point of Avi's vision. It's not so much about the Seanchan then it is about the Aiel. The Aiel have to find another purpose and reason for collective existence post-TG.

Quite frankly, their society simply has no place with all the new advancements that is going to happen in the next Age. If it's not the Seanchan that wipes them out, then it's going to be the Cairhienians, or Tearians, or whoever.

Aviendha's storyline got me really upset. The thing I've been worried about from the beginning was that the Seanchan would take over. I wanted them to be destroyed... at least if they weren't going to free the damane.


I'm curious, are the monarchies in Randland going to free the peasants? Are the Aiel going to free the Gai'shain? A bit of a double standard isn't it? Being upset about one type slavery and not the other.

Aside from the Shaido's liberalized version of ji'e'toh, you can't force just anyone to become gai'shain. The Aiel live by ji'e'toh like the US lives by the Constitution. The consequences for having toh are pretty well-defined and no-one is subjected to servitude indefinitely. In fact, one only becomes gai'shain after requesting permission to become one from the person to whom they have toh. This is why anyone who is not Aiel and has no understanding of ji'e'toh can never be made gai'shain.
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I'm nervous. rebelaessedai - 08/12/2010 12:55:27 AM 2344 Views
my feelings exactly Jessie - 08/12/2010 01:21:20 AM 1285 Views
Some sad news Itachi - 08/12/2010 01:42:06 AM 1469 Views
The prophesies... Kieran - 08/12/2010 01:43:32 AM 1287 Views
well regardless, we probably won't hear about it LadyLorraine - 08/12/2010 01:51:05 AM 1133 Views
Well.... DomA - 08/12/2010 02:04:59 AM 1519 Views
Re: Well.... Sandwich - 08/12/2010 04:34:45 AM 1274 Views
Aviendha's vision is utterly impossible. Fanatic-Templar - 08/12/2010 03:34:05 AM 1687 Views
Hm. Well, what constitutes "saving?" beetnemesis - 09/12/2010 03:39:12 PM 1050 Views
No. Fanatic-Templar - 09/12/2010 06:32:59 PM 1114 Views
It's just a story. Tom - 08/12/2010 05:34:17 AM 1095 Views
* *NM* moratcorlm - 08/12/2010 06:03:39 AM 570 Views
No. rebelaessedai - 08/12/2010 09:08:40 PM 1192 Views
Fuck the Aiel and the White Tower. Go Team Seanchan! Variant - 08/12/2010 09:20:44 AM 1431 Views
Eh? rebelaessedai - 08/12/2010 09:11:17 PM 1173 Views
Peasants aren't slaves? Are you fucking kidding me? Variant - 08/12/2010 11:32:18 PM 1115 Views
yes, but the Seanchan aren't keeping their culture to themselves LadyLorraine - 09/12/2010 12:17:36 AM 1105 Views
And Randlanders aren't forcing their beliefs on others? Variant - 09/12/2010 02:22:11 AM 1062 Views
That's plain stupid... fionwe1987 - 09/12/2010 06:41:49 AM 1088 Views
Re: That's plain stupid... moratcorlm - 09/12/2010 07:45:34 AM 1057 Views
You call it "Invasion." They call it "The Return" Variant - 09/12/2010 08:21:00 AM 1121 Views
I do. *NM* Fanatic-Templar - 09/12/2010 08:24:00 AM 578 Views
Well, I don't *NM* Variant - 09/12/2010 08:41:32 AM 540 Views
Crap alert! fionwe1987 - 09/12/2010 01:26:37 PM 1041 Views
Re: Crap alert! Variant - 10/12/2010 01:51:42 AM 1181 Views
Re: Crap alert! LadyLorraine - 10/12/2010 02:25:25 AM 1178 Views
If Britian has the resources or the desire to do so, then of course. Variant - 10/12/2010 07:10:15 AM 1056 Views
Re: You call it "Invasion." They call it "The Return" Sidious - 09/12/2010 03:49:10 PM 977 Views
Yes, this. rebelaessedai - 09/12/2010 07:17:52 PM 1179 Views
I'd wish it on myself moratcorlm - 09/12/2010 07:40:34 PM 1044 Views
I wouldn't necessarily object to wearing a Domination band... Variant - 10/12/2010 08:37:48 AM 1364 Views
rebelaessedai - 10/12/2010 07:28:09 PM 1088 Views
Personally, I like Suffa better. *NM* Variant - 10/12/2010 01:52:28 AM 564 Views
Peasants aren't slaves. Fanatic-Templar - 09/12/2010 12:19:11 AM 1070 Views
"But they were free men." moratcorlm - 09/12/2010 06:20:10 AM 934 Views
By that definition, is there any such thing as freedom? Fanatic-Templar - 09/12/2010 07:32:42 AM 1132 Views
Re: By that definition, is there any such thing as freedom? moratcorlm - 09/12/2010 07:41:23 AM 1090 Views
Re: By that definition, is there any such thing as freedom? Fanatic-Templar - 09/12/2010 08:23:03 AM 1086 Views
Re: By that definition, is there any such thing as freedom? moratcorlm - 09/12/2010 09:45:14 AM 1071 Views
Re: By that definition, is there any such thing as freedom? Fanatic-Templar - 09/12/2010 06:39:16 PM 1083 Views
Is there anything you'd like to correct about what you just said? moratcorlm - 09/12/2010 07:43:56 PM 1110 Views
Ok. Fanatic-Templar - 10/12/2010 04:57:12 AM 1219 Views
~shrugs~ I prefer using "Peasant" rather than "Serf" Variant - 09/12/2010 08:06:19 AM 1046 Views
They're really different things. Fanatic-Templar - 09/12/2010 08:26:26 AM 1045 Views
Not really. Variant - 09/12/2010 08:40:32 AM 1105 Views
Sure, if you insist on being wrong, it's not like I can stop you. *NM* Fanatic-Templar - 09/12/2010 06:41:18 PM 529 Views
They're the same thing, you're just being anal about it. *NM* Variant - 10/12/2010 01:42:28 AM 538 Views
If that is what you wish to believe. Fanatic-Templar - 10/12/2010 05:00:46 AM 1015 Views
So.... you're saying the Peasant is the equivalent of a Marine Biologist in your example? Variant - 10/12/2010 07:03:32 AM 1048 Views
gai'shain aren't really comparable to damane BlackAdder - 08/12/2010 10:02:54 PM 1210 Views
The Shaido made precedent, it's done. *NM* Variant - 08/12/2010 11:39:09 PM 507 Views
I disagree. BlackAdder - 09/12/2010 07:22:36 AM 1058 Views
Re: I disagree. moratcorlm - 09/12/2010 07:53:26 AM 946 Views
Bullshit Variant - 09/12/2010 08:00:10 AM 1045 Views
Reply to both BlackAdder - 09/12/2010 08:23:08 AM 1270 Views
Re: Variant - 09/12/2010 08:36:32 AM 1076 Views
Re: Re: BlackAdder - 10/12/2010 02:07:04 AM 1347 Views
I apologize for the "bullshit" comment. Variant - 10/12/2010 08:16:38 AM 1711 Views
Re: Reply to both moratcorlm - 09/12/2010 10:03:26 AM 938 Views
Their culture was raped in the face, hard. BlackAdder - 10/12/2010 02:10:46 AM 1221 Views
Re: Their culture was raped in the face, hard. moratcorlm - 10/12/2010 08:44:27 AM 1083 Views
What kind of reasoning is this? Fanatic-Templar - 09/12/2010 08:29:15 AM 894 Views
Eh? *NM* Variant - 09/12/2010 08:43:01 AM 445 Views
Er, just because something was done, doesn't mean it will become the norm. beetnemesis - 09/12/2010 04:48:20 PM 971 Views
Re: Er, just because something was done, doesn't mean it will become the norm. moratcorlm - 09/12/2010 05:53:24 PM 978 Views
At least the Aiel v. Seanchan question is answered. everynametaken - 09/12/2010 02:46:02 AM 1710 Views
I actually think her vision will prevent Rand from Bowing to Tuon darius_sedai - 09/12/2010 04:53:25 PM 1052 Views
I hope that this is what happens. rebelaessedai - 09/12/2010 07:22:59 PM 1164 Views
I think it's a case of what might, not must, be. Joel - 11/12/2010 03:41:36 AM 1038 Views
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