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gai'shain aren't really comparable to damane BlackAdder Send a noteboard - 08/12/2010 10:02:54 PM
Readers seem to miss the point of Avi's vision. It's not so much about the Seanchan then it is about the Aiel. The Aiel have to find another purpose and reason for collective existence post-TG.

Quite frankly, their society simply has no place with all the new advancements that is going to happen in the next Age. If it's not the Seanchan that wipes them out, then it's going to be the Cairhienians, or Tearians, or whoever.

Aviendha's storyline got me really upset. The thing I've been worried about from the beginning was that the Seanchan would take over. I wanted them to be destroyed... at least if they weren't going to free the damane.


I'm curious, are the monarchies in Randland going to free the peasants? Are the Aiel going to free the Gai'shain? A bit of a double standard isn't it? Being upset about one type slavery and not the other.

Aside from the Shaido's liberalized version of ji'e'toh, you can't force just anyone to become gai'shain. The Aiel live by ji'e'toh like the US lives by the Constitution. The consequences for having toh are pretty well-defined and no-one is subjected to servitude indefinitely. In fact, one only becomes gai'shain after requesting permission to become one from the person to whom they have toh. This is why anyone who is not Aiel and has no understanding of ji'e'toh can never be made gai'shain.
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I'm nervous. rebelaessedai - 08/12/2010 12:55:27 AM 2315 Views
my feelings exactly Jessie - 08/12/2010 01:21:20 AM 1252 Views
Some sad news Itachi - 08/12/2010 01:42:06 AM 1432 Views
The prophesies... Kieran - 08/12/2010 01:43:32 AM 1257 Views
well regardless, we probably won't hear about it LadyLorraine - 08/12/2010 01:51:05 AM 1096 Views
Well.... DomA - 08/12/2010 02:04:59 AM 1478 Views
Re: Well.... Sandwich - 08/12/2010 04:34:45 AM 1244 Views
Aviendha's vision is utterly impossible. Fanatic-Templar - 08/12/2010 03:34:05 AM 1657 Views
Hm. Well, what constitutes "saving?" beetnemesis - 09/12/2010 03:39:12 PM 1027 Views
No. Fanatic-Templar - 09/12/2010 06:32:59 PM 1068 Views
It's just a story. Tom - 08/12/2010 05:34:17 AM 1069 Views
* *NM* moratcorlm - 08/12/2010 06:03:39 AM 556 Views
No. rebelaessedai - 08/12/2010 09:08:40 PM 1157 Views
Fuck the Aiel and the White Tower. Go Team Seanchan! Variant - 08/12/2010 09:20:44 AM 1394 Views
Eh? rebelaessedai - 08/12/2010 09:11:17 PM 1135 Views
Peasants aren't slaves? Are you fucking kidding me? Variant - 08/12/2010 11:32:18 PM 1074 Views
yes, but the Seanchan aren't keeping their culture to themselves LadyLorraine - 09/12/2010 12:17:36 AM 1060 Views
And Randlanders aren't forcing their beliefs on others? Variant - 09/12/2010 02:22:11 AM 1025 Views
That's plain stupid... fionwe1987 - 09/12/2010 06:41:49 AM 1051 Views
Re: That's plain stupid... moratcorlm - 09/12/2010 07:45:34 AM 1023 Views
You call it "Invasion." They call it "The Return" Variant - 09/12/2010 08:21:00 AM 1082 Views
I do. *NM* Fanatic-Templar - 09/12/2010 08:24:00 AM 562 Views
Well, I don't *NM* Variant - 09/12/2010 08:41:32 AM 525 Views
Crap alert! fionwe1987 - 09/12/2010 01:26:37 PM 1006 Views
Re: Crap alert! Variant - 10/12/2010 01:51:42 AM 1146 Views
Re: Crap alert! LadyLorraine - 10/12/2010 02:25:25 AM 1147 Views
If Britian has the resources or the desire to do so, then of course. Variant - 10/12/2010 07:10:15 AM 1012 Views
Re: You call it "Invasion." They call it "The Return" Sidious - 09/12/2010 03:49:10 PM 943 Views
Yes, this. rebelaessedai - 09/12/2010 07:17:52 PM 1143 Views
I'd wish it on myself moratcorlm - 09/12/2010 07:40:34 PM 1010 Views
I wouldn't necessarily object to wearing a Domination band... Variant - 10/12/2010 08:37:48 AM 1331 Views
rebelaessedai - 10/12/2010 07:28:09 PM 1057 Views
Personally, I like Suffa better. *NM* Variant - 10/12/2010 01:52:28 AM 548 Views
Peasants aren't slaves. Fanatic-Templar - 09/12/2010 12:19:11 AM 1042 Views
"But they were free men." moratcorlm - 09/12/2010 06:20:10 AM 903 Views
By that definition, is there any such thing as freedom? Fanatic-Templar - 09/12/2010 07:32:42 AM 1110 Views
Re: By that definition, is there any such thing as freedom? moratcorlm - 09/12/2010 07:41:23 AM 1057 Views
Re: By that definition, is there any such thing as freedom? Fanatic-Templar - 09/12/2010 08:23:03 AM 1060 Views
Re: By that definition, is there any such thing as freedom? moratcorlm - 09/12/2010 09:45:14 AM 1044 Views
Re: By that definition, is there any such thing as freedom? Fanatic-Templar - 09/12/2010 06:39:16 PM 1044 Views
Is there anything you'd like to correct about what you just said? moratcorlm - 09/12/2010 07:43:56 PM 1080 Views
Ok. Fanatic-Templar - 10/12/2010 04:57:12 AM 1194 Views
~shrugs~ I prefer using "Peasant" rather than "Serf" Variant - 09/12/2010 08:06:19 AM 1009 Views
They're really different things. Fanatic-Templar - 09/12/2010 08:26:26 AM 1005 Views
Not really. Variant - 09/12/2010 08:40:32 AM 1071 Views
Sure, if you insist on being wrong, it's not like I can stop you. *NM* Fanatic-Templar - 09/12/2010 06:41:18 PM 513 Views
They're the same thing, you're just being anal about it. *NM* Variant - 10/12/2010 01:42:28 AM 527 Views
If that is what you wish to believe. Fanatic-Templar - 10/12/2010 05:00:46 AM 978 Views
So.... you're saying the Peasant is the equivalent of a Marine Biologist in your example? Variant - 10/12/2010 07:03:32 AM 1019 Views
gai'shain aren't really comparable to damane BlackAdder - 08/12/2010 10:02:54 PM 1181 Views
The Shaido made precedent, it's done. *NM* Variant - 08/12/2010 11:39:09 PM 490 Views
I disagree. BlackAdder - 09/12/2010 07:22:36 AM 1030 Views
Re: I disagree. moratcorlm - 09/12/2010 07:53:26 AM 914 Views
Bullshit Variant - 09/12/2010 08:00:10 AM 1014 Views
Reply to both BlackAdder - 09/12/2010 08:23:08 AM 1227 Views
Re: Variant - 09/12/2010 08:36:32 AM 1030 Views
Re: Re: BlackAdder - 10/12/2010 02:07:04 AM 1313 Views
I apologize for the "bullshit" comment. Variant - 10/12/2010 08:16:38 AM 1684 Views
Re: Reply to both moratcorlm - 09/12/2010 10:03:26 AM 900 Views
Their culture was raped in the face, hard. BlackAdder - 10/12/2010 02:10:46 AM 1194 Views
Re: Their culture was raped in the face, hard. moratcorlm - 10/12/2010 08:44:27 AM 1046 Views
What kind of reasoning is this? Fanatic-Templar - 09/12/2010 08:29:15 AM 858 Views
Eh? *NM* Variant - 09/12/2010 08:43:01 AM 435 Views
Er, just because something was done, doesn't mean it will become the norm. beetnemesis - 09/12/2010 04:48:20 PM 944 Views
Re: Er, just because something was done, doesn't mean it will become the norm. moratcorlm - 09/12/2010 05:53:24 PM 947 Views
At least the Aiel v. Seanchan question is answered. everynametaken - 09/12/2010 02:46:02 AM 1683 Views
I actually think her vision will prevent Rand from Bowing to Tuon darius_sedai - 09/12/2010 04:53:25 PM 1009 Views
I hope that this is what happens. rebelaessedai - 09/12/2010 07:22:59 PM 1136 Views
I think it's a case of what might, not must, be. Joel - 11/12/2010 03:41:36 AM 1013 Views
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