Re: By that definition, is there any such thing as freedom?
Fanatic-Templar Send a noteboard - 09/12/2010 08:23:03 AM
Well yes, to everything except your last clause. You are absolutely correct that what defines a slave is the status of being property, and the "freedom" they possess is the status of not being property. But in the face of brutality, poverty, squalor, lack of legal standing, and corruption, I find the attention people pay to this least tangible of issues rather bemusing.
Presumably if you were in a situation where 'this least tangible of issues' were imposed upon you, you might find it less bemusing. I do not doubt that if given the choice between being poor (which even today pretty much brings about the rest of your list) and being a slave, most people would choose the former. Peasants could own things, and therefore could theoretically move out of poverty. And legal standing is one of the things I specifically mentioned peasants had and that slaves did not.
And to your question: for peasants and equivalent urban laborers, very little.
That was not the question.
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08/12/2010 12:55:27 AM
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Aviendha's vision is utterly impossible.
08/12/2010 03:34:05 AM
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Fuck the Aiel and the White Tower. Go Team Seanchan!
08/12/2010 09:20:44 AM
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Eh?
08/12/2010 09:11:17 PM
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Peasants aren't slaves? Are you fucking kidding me?
08/12/2010 11:32:18 PM
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yes, but the Seanchan aren't keeping their culture to themselves
09/12/2010 12:17:36 AM
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And Randlanders aren't forcing their beliefs on others?
09/12/2010 02:22:11 AM
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That's plain stupid...
09/12/2010 06:41:49 AM
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You call it "Invasion." They call it "The Return"
09/12/2010 08:21:00 AM
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Crap alert!
09/12/2010 01:26:37 PM
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Re: Crap alert!
10/12/2010 01:51:42 AM
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Re: Crap alert!
10/12/2010 02:25:25 AM
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If Britian has the resources or the desire to do so, then of course.
10/12/2010 07:10:15 AM
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Re: You call it "Invasion." They call it "The Return"
09/12/2010 03:49:10 PM
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Yes, this.
09/12/2010 07:17:52 PM
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Peasants aren't slaves.
09/12/2010 12:19:11 AM
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"But they were free men."
09/12/2010 06:20:10 AM
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By that definition, is there any such thing as freedom?
09/12/2010 07:32:42 AM
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Re: By that definition, is there any such thing as freedom?
09/12/2010 07:41:23 AM
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Re: By that definition, is there any such thing as freedom?
09/12/2010 08:23:03 AM
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Re: By that definition, is there any such thing as freedom?
09/12/2010 09:45:14 AM
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Re: By that definition, is there any such thing as freedom?
09/12/2010 06:39:16 PM
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Is there anything you'd like to correct about what you just said?
09/12/2010 07:43:56 PM
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~shrugs~ I prefer using "Peasant" rather than "Serf"
09/12/2010 08:06:19 AM
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They're really different things.
09/12/2010 08:26:26 AM
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Not really.
09/12/2010 08:40:32 AM
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Sure, if you insist on being wrong, it's not like I can stop you. *NM*
09/12/2010 06:41:18 PM
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They're the same thing, you're just being anal about it. *NM*
10/12/2010 01:42:28 AM
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If that is what you wish to believe.
10/12/2010 05:00:46 AM
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So.... you're saying the Peasant is the equivalent of a Marine Biologist in your example?
10/12/2010 07:03:32 AM
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gai'shain aren't really comparable to damane
08/12/2010 10:02:54 PM
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The Shaido made precedent, it's done. *NM*
08/12/2010 11:39:09 PM
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I disagree.
09/12/2010 07:22:36 AM
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Bullshit
09/12/2010 08:00:10 AM
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Reply to both
09/12/2010 08:23:08 AM
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Re: Reply to both
09/12/2010 10:03:26 AM
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Er, just because something was done, doesn't mean it will become the norm.
09/12/2010 04:48:20 PM
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Re: Er, just because something was done, doesn't mean it will become the norm.
09/12/2010 05:53:24 PM
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I actually think her vision will prevent Rand from Bowing to Tuon
09/12/2010 04:53:25 PM
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