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gai'shain aren't really comparable to damane BlackAdder Send a noteboard - 08/12/2010 10:02:54 PM
Readers seem to miss the point of Avi's vision. It's not so much about the Seanchan then it is about the Aiel. The Aiel have to find another purpose and reason for collective existence post-TG.

Quite frankly, their society simply has no place with all the new advancements that is going to happen in the next Age. If it's not the Seanchan that wipes them out, then it's going to be the Cairhienians, or Tearians, or whoever.

Aviendha's storyline got me really upset. The thing I've been worried about from the beginning was that the Seanchan would take over. I wanted them to be destroyed... at least if they weren't going to free the damane.


I'm curious, are the monarchies in Randland going to free the peasants? Are the Aiel going to free the Gai'shain? A bit of a double standard isn't it? Being upset about one type slavery and not the other.

Aside from the Shaido's liberalized version of ji'e'toh, you can't force just anyone to become gai'shain. The Aiel live by ji'e'toh like the US lives by the Constitution. The consequences for having toh are pretty well-defined and no-one is subjected to servitude indefinitely. In fact, one only becomes gai'shain after requesting permission to become one from the person to whom they have toh. This is why anyone who is not Aiel and has no understanding of ji'e'toh can never be made gai'shain.
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my feelings exactly - 08/12/2010 01:21:20 AM 972 Views
Some sad news - 08/12/2010 01:42:06 AM 1153 Views
The prophesies... - 08/12/2010 01:43:32 AM 974 Views
well regardless, we probably won't hear about it - 08/12/2010 01:51:05 AM 796 Views
Well.... - 08/12/2010 02:04:59 AM 1165 Views
Re: Well.... - 08/12/2010 04:34:45 AM 939 Views
Aviendha's vision is utterly impossible. - 08/12/2010 03:34:05 AM 1376 Views
Hm. Well, what constitutes "saving?" - 09/12/2010 03:39:12 PM 737 Views
No. - 09/12/2010 06:32:59 PM 752 Views
It's just a story. - 08/12/2010 05:34:17 AM 805 Views
* *NM* - 08/12/2010 06:03:39 AM 415 Views
No. - 08/12/2010 09:08:40 PM 832 Views
Fuck the Aiel and the White Tower. Go Team Seanchan! - 08/12/2010 09:20:44 AM 1094 Views
Eh? - 08/12/2010 09:11:17 PM 796 Views
Peasants aren't slaves? Are you fucking kidding me? - 08/12/2010 11:32:18 PM 770 Views
yes, but the Seanchan aren't keeping their culture to themselves - 09/12/2010 12:17:36 AM 755 Views
And Randlanders aren't forcing their beliefs on others? - 09/12/2010 02:22:11 AM 745 Views
That's plain stupid... - 09/12/2010 06:41:49 AM 746 Views
Re: That's plain stupid... - 09/12/2010 07:45:34 AM 747 Views
You call it "Invasion." They call it "The Return" - 09/12/2010 08:21:00 AM 767 Views
I do. *NM* - 09/12/2010 08:24:00 AM 431 Views
Well, I don't *NM* - 09/12/2010 08:41:32 AM 386 Views
Crap alert! - 09/12/2010 01:26:37 PM 718 Views
Re: Crap alert! - 10/12/2010 01:51:42 AM 844 Views
Re: Crap alert! - 10/12/2010 02:25:25 AM 852 Views
Re: You call it "Invasion." They call it "The Return" - 09/12/2010 03:49:10 PM 661 Views
Yes, this. - 09/12/2010 07:17:52 PM 774 Views
I'd wish it on myself - 09/12/2010 07:40:34 PM 729 Views
I wouldn't necessarily object to wearing a Domination band... - 10/12/2010 08:37:48 AM 1050 Views
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Personally, I like Suffa better. *NM* - 10/12/2010 01:52:28 AM 408 Views
Peasants aren't slaves. - 09/12/2010 12:19:11 AM 756 Views
"But they were free men." - 09/12/2010 06:20:10 AM 596 Views
By that definition, is there any such thing as freedom? - 09/12/2010 07:32:42 AM 813 Views
Re: By that definition, is there any such thing as freedom? - 09/12/2010 07:41:23 AM 790 Views
Re: By that definition, is there any such thing as freedom? - 09/12/2010 08:23:03 AM 767 Views
Re: By that definition, is there any such thing as freedom? - 09/12/2010 09:45:14 AM 743 Views
Re: By that definition, is there any such thing as freedom? - 09/12/2010 06:39:16 PM 730 Views
Is there anything you'd like to correct about what you just said? - 09/12/2010 07:43:56 PM 754 Views
Ok. - 10/12/2010 04:57:12 AM 864 Views
~shrugs~ I prefer using "Peasant" rather than "Serf" - 09/12/2010 08:06:19 AM 697 Views
They're really different things. - 09/12/2010 08:26:26 AM 707 Views
Not really. - 09/12/2010 08:40:32 AM 774 Views
Sure, if you insist on being wrong, it's not like I can stop you. *NM* - 09/12/2010 06:41:18 PM 373 Views
They're the same thing, you're just being anal about it. *NM* - 10/12/2010 01:42:28 AM 385 Views
If that is what you wish to believe. - 10/12/2010 05:00:46 AM 698 Views
gai'shain aren't really comparable to damane - 08/12/2010 10:02:54 PM 868 Views
The Shaido made precedent, it's done. *NM* - 08/12/2010 11:39:09 PM 353 Views
I disagree. - 09/12/2010 07:22:36 AM 677 Views
Re: I disagree. - 09/12/2010 07:53:26 AM 649 Views
Bullshit - 09/12/2010 08:00:10 AM 698 Views
Reply to both - 09/12/2010 08:23:08 AM 928 Views
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I apologize for the "bullshit" comment. - 10/12/2010 08:16:38 AM 1348 Views
Re: Reply to both - 09/12/2010 10:03:26 AM 616 Views
Their culture was raped in the face, hard. - 10/12/2010 02:10:46 AM 896 Views
Re: Their culture was raped in the face, hard. - 10/12/2010 08:44:27 AM 759 Views
What kind of reasoning is this? - 09/12/2010 08:29:15 AM 573 Views
Eh? *NM* - 09/12/2010 08:43:01 AM 308 Views
At least the Aiel v. Seanchan question is answered. - 09/12/2010 02:46:02 AM 1428 Views
I actually think her vision will prevent Rand from Bowing to Tuon - 09/12/2010 04:53:25 PM 724 Views
I hope that this is what happens. - 09/12/2010 07:22:59 PM 786 Views
I think it's a case of what might, not must, be. - 11/12/2010 03:41:36 AM 735 Views

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