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Re: By that definition, is there any such thing as freedom? Fanatic-Templar Send a noteboard - 09/12/2010 08:23:03 AM
Well yes, to everything except your last clause. You are absolutely correct that what defines a slave is the status of being property, and the "freedom" they possess is the status of not being property. But in the face of brutality, poverty, squalor, lack of legal standing, and corruption, I find the attention people pay to this least tangible of issues rather bemusing.


Presumably if you were in a situation where 'this least tangible of issues' were imposed upon you, you might find it less bemusing. I do not doubt that if given the choice between being poor (which even today pretty much brings about the rest of your list) and being a slave, most people would choose the former. Peasants could own things, and therefore could theoretically move out of poverty. And legal standing is one of the things I specifically mentioned peasants had and that slaves did not.

And to your question: for peasants and equivalent urban laborers, very little.


That was not the question.
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Hm. Well, what constitutes "saving?" beetnemesis - 09/12/2010 03:39:12 PM 981 Views
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It's just a story. Tom - 08/12/2010 05:34:17 AM 1007 Views
* *NM* moratcorlm - 08/12/2010 06:03:39 AM 517 Views
No. rebelaessedai - 08/12/2010 09:08:40 PM 1093 Views
Fuck the Aiel and the White Tower. Go Team Seanchan! Variant - 08/12/2010 09:20:44 AM 1330 Views
Eh? rebelaessedai - 08/12/2010 09:11:17 PM 1061 Views
Peasants aren't slaves? Are you fucking kidding me? Variant - 08/12/2010 11:32:18 PM 1010 Views
yes, but the Seanchan aren't keeping their culture to themselves LadyLorraine - 09/12/2010 12:17:36 AM 982 Views
And Randlanders aren't forcing their beliefs on others? Variant - 09/12/2010 02:22:11 AM 947 Views
That's plain stupid... fionwe1987 - 09/12/2010 06:41:49 AM 972 Views
Re: That's plain stupid... moratcorlm - 09/12/2010 07:45:34 AM 968 Views
You call it "Invasion." They call it "The Return" Variant - 09/12/2010 08:21:00 AM 990 Views
I do. *NM* Fanatic-Templar - 09/12/2010 08:24:00 AM 534 Views
Well, I don't *NM* Variant - 09/12/2010 08:41:32 AM 497 Views
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Re: Crap alert! Variant - 10/12/2010 01:51:42 AM 1082 Views
Re: Crap alert! LadyLorraine - 10/12/2010 02:25:25 AM 1081 Views
If Britian has the resources or the desire to do so, then of course. Variant - 10/12/2010 07:10:15 AM 939 Views
Re: You call it "Invasion." They call it "The Return" Sidious - 09/12/2010 03:49:10 PM 874 Views
Yes, this. rebelaessedai - 09/12/2010 07:17:52 PM 1078 Views
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I wouldn't necessarily object to wearing a Domination band... Variant - 10/12/2010 08:37:48 AM 1259 Views
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Personally, I like Suffa better. *NM* Variant - 10/12/2010 01:52:28 AM 517 Views
Peasants aren't slaves. Fanatic-Templar - 09/12/2010 12:19:11 AM 972 Views
"But they were free men." moratcorlm - 09/12/2010 06:20:10 AM 824 Views
By that definition, is there any such thing as freedom? Fanatic-Templar - 09/12/2010 07:32:42 AM 1054 Views
Re: By that definition, is there any such thing as freedom? moratcorlm - 09/12/2010 07:41:23 AM 1005 Views
Re: By that definition, is there any such thing as freedom? Fanatic-Templar - 09/12/2010 08:23:03 AM 995 Views
Re: By that definition, is there any such thing as freedom? moratcorlm - 09/12/2010 09:45:14 AM 985 Views
Re: By that definition, is there any such thing as freedom? Fanatic-Templar - 09/12/2010 06:39:16 PM 978 Views
Is there anything you'd like to correct about what you just said? moratcorlm - 09/12/2010 07:43:56 PM 999 Views
Ok. Fanatic-Templar - 10/12/2010 04:57:12 AM 1111 Views
~shrugs~ I prefer using "Peasant" rather than "Serf" Variant - 09/12/2010 08:06:19 AM 939 Views
They're really different things. Fanatic-Templar - 09/12/2010 08:26:26 AM 943 Views
Not really. Variant - 09/12/2010 08:40:32 AM 1002 Views
Sure, if you insist on being wrong, it's not like I can stop you. *NM* Fanatic-Templar - 09/12/2010 06:41:18 PM 474 Views
They're the same thing, you're just being anal about it. *NM* Variant - 10/12/2010 01:42:28 AM 489 Views
If that is what you wish to believe. Fanatic-Templar - 10/12/2010 05:00:46 AM 912 Views
So.... you're saying the Peasant is the equivalent of a Marine Biologist in your example? Variant - 10/12/2010 07:03:32 AM 959 Views
gai'shain aren't really comparable to damane BlackAdder - 08/12/2010 10:02:54 PM 1119 Views
The Shaido made precedent, it's done. *NM* Variant - 08/12/2010 11:39:09 PM 455 Views
I disagree. BlackAdder - 09/12/2010 07:22:36 AM 963 Views
Re: I disagree. moratcorlm - 09/12/2010 07:53:26 AM 856 Views
Bullshit Variant - 09/12/2010 08:00:10 AM 937 Views
Reply to both BlackAdder - 09/12/2010 08:23:08 AM 1161 Views
Re: Variant - 09/12/2010 08:36:32 AM 947 Views
Re: Re: BlackAdder - 10/12/2010 02:07:04 AM 1246 Views
I apologize for the "bullshit" comment. Variant - 10/12/2010 08:16:38 AM 1578 Views
Re: Reply to both moratcorlm - 09/12/2010 10:03:26 AM 847 Views
Their culture was raped in the face, hard. BlackAdder - 10/12/2010 02:10:46 AM 1130 Views
Re: Their culture was raped in the face, hard. moratcorlm - 10/12/2010 08:44:27 AM 986 Views
What kind of reasoning is this? Fanatic-Templar - 09/12/2010 08:29:15 AM 791 Views
Eh? *NM* Variant - 09/12/2010 08:43:01 AM 400 Views
Er, just because something was done, doesn't mean it will become the norm. beetnemesis - 09/12/2010 04:48:20 PM 883 Views
Re: Er, just because something was done, doesn't mean it will become the norm. moratcorlm - 09/12/2010 05:53:24 PM 879 Views
At least the Aiel v. Seanchan question is answered. everynametaken - 09/12/2010 02:46:02 AM 1623 Views
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