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Re: By that definition, is there any such thing as freedom? Fanatic-Templar Send a noteboard - 09/12/2010 08:23:03 AM
Well yes, to everything except your last clause. You are absolutely correct that what defines a slave is the status of being property, and the "freedom" they possess is the status of not being property. But in the face of brutality, poverty, squalor, lack of legal standing, and corruption, I find the attention people pay to this least tangible of issues rather bemusing.


Presumably if you were in a situation where 'this least tangible of issues' were imposed upon you, you might find it less bemusing. I do not doubt that if given the choice between being poor (which even today pretty much brings about the rest of your list) and being a slave, most people would choose the former. Peasants could own things, and therefore could theoretically move out of poverty. And legal standing is one of the things I specifically mentioned peasants had and that slaves did not.

And to your question: for peasants and equivalent urban laborers, very little.


That was not the question.
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Aviendha's vision is utterly impossible. Fanatic-Templar - 08/12/2010 03:34:05 AM 1789 Views
Hm. Well, what constitutes "saving?" beetnemesis - 09/12/2010 03:39:12 PM 1112 Views
No. Fanatic-Templar - 09/12/2010 06:32:59 PM 1204 Views
It's just a story. Tom - 08/12/2010 05:34:17 AM 1176 Views
* *NM* moratcorlm - 08/12/2010 06:03:39 AM 608 Views
No. rebelaessedai - 08/12/2010 09:08:40 PM 1263 Views
Fuck the Aiel and the White Tower. Go Team Seanchan! Variant - 08/12/2010 09:20:44 AM 1508 Views
Eh? rebelaessedai - 08/12/2010 09:11:17 PM 1258 Views
Peasants aren't slaves? Are you fucking kidding me? Variant - 08/12/2010 11:32:18 PM 1186 Views
yes, but the Seanchan aren't keeping their culture to themselves LadyLorraine - 09/12/2010 12:17:36 AM 1176 Views
And Randlanders aren't forcing their beliefs on others? Variant - 09/12/2010 02:22:11 AM 1131 Views
That's plain stupid... fionwe1987 - 09/12/2010 06:41:49 AM 1162 Views
Re: That's plain stupid... moratcorlm - 09/12/2010 07:45:34 AM 1143 Views
You call it "Invasion." They call it "The Return" Variant - 09/12/2010 08:21:00 AM 1208 Views
I do. *NM* Fanatic-Templar - 09/12/2010 08:24:00 AM 613 Views
Well, I don't *NM* Variant - 09/12/2010 08:41:32 AM 575 Views
Crap alert! fionwe1987 - 09/12/2010 01:26:37 PM 1128 Views
Re: Crap alert! Variant - 10/12/2010 01:51:42 AM 1252 Views
Re: Crap alert! LadyLorraine - 10/12/2010 02:25:25 AM 1262 Views
If Britian has the resources or the desire to do so, then of course. Variant - 10/12/2010 07:10:15 AM 1128 Views
Re: You call it "Invasion." They call it "The Return" Sidious - 09/12/2010 03:49:10 PM 1048 Views
Yes, this. rebelaessedai - 09/12/2010 07:17:52 PM 1251 Views
I'd wish it on myself moratcorlm - 09/12/2010 07:40:34 PM 1121 Views
I wouldn't necessarily object to wearing a Domination band... Variant - 10/12/2010 08:37:48 AM 1449 Views
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Personally, I like Suffa better. *NM* Variant - 10/12/2010 01:52:28 AM 599 Views
Peasants aren't slaves. Fanatic-Templar - 09/12/2010 12:19:11 AM 1144 Views
"But they were free men." moratcorlm - 09/12/2010 06:20:10 AM 1007 Views
By that definition, is there any such thing as freedom? Fanatic-Templar - 09/12/2010 07:32:42 AM 1208 Views
Re: By that definition, is there any such thing as freedom? moratcorlm - 09/12/2010 07:41:23 AM 1150 Views
Re: By that definition, is there any such thing as freedom? Fanatic-Templar - 09/12/2010 08:23:03 AM 1163 Views
Re: By that definition, is there any such thing as freedom? moratcorlm - 09/12/2010 09:45:14 AM 1141 Views
Re: By that definition, is there any such thing as freedom? Fanatic-Templar - 09/12/2010 06:39:16 PM 1158 Views
Is there anything you'd like to correct about what you just said? moratcorlm - 09/12/2010 07:43:56 PM 1187 Views
Ok. Fanatic-Templar - 10/12/2010 04:57:12 AM 1293 Views
~shrugs~ I prefer using "Peasant" rather than "Serf" Variant - 09/12/2010 08:06:19 AM 1105 Views
They're really different things. Fanatic-Templar - 09/12/2010 08:26:26 AM 1120 Views
Not really. Variant - 09/12/2010 08:40:32 AM 1166 Views
Sure, if you insist on being wrong, it's not like I can stop you. *NM* Fanatic-Templar - 09/12/2010 06:41:18 PM 560 Views
They're the same thing, you're just being anal about it. *NM* Variant - 10/12/2010 01:42:28 AM 572 Views
If that is what you wish to believe. Fanatic-Templar - 10/12/2010 05:00:46 AM 1098 Views
So.... you're saying the Peasant is the equivalent of a Marine Biologist in your example? Variant - 10/12/2010 07:03:32 AM 1122 Views
gai'shain aren't really comparable to damane BlackAdder - 08/12/2010 10:02:54 PM 1292 Views
The Shaido made precedent, it's done. *NM* Variant - 08/12/2010 11:39:09 PM 543 Views
I disagree. BlackAdder - 09/12/2010 07:22:36 AM 1125 Views
Re: I disagree. moratcorlm - 09/12/2010 07:53:26 AM 1022 Views
Bullshit Variant - 09/12/2010 08:00:10 AM 1124 Views
Reply to both BlackAdder - 09/12/2010 08:23:08 AM 1345 Views
Re: Variant - 09/12/2010 08:36:32 AM 1163 Views
Re: Re: BlackAdder - 10/12/2010 02:07:04 AM 1425 Views
I apologize for the "bullshit" comment. Variant - 10/12/2010 08:16:38 AM 1791 Views
Re: Reply to both moratcorlm - 09/12/2010 10:03:26 AM 1017 Views
Their culture was raped in the face, hard. BlackAdder - 10/12/2010 02:10:46 AM 1288 Views
Re: Their culture was raped in the face, hard. moratcorlm - 10/12/2010 08:44:27 AM 1184 Views
What kind of reasoning is this? Fanatic-Templar - 09/12/2010 08:29:15 AM 970 Views
Eh? *NM* Variant - 09/12/2010 08:43:01 AM 483 Views
Er, just because something was done, doesn't mean it will become the norm. beetnemesis - 09/12/2010 04:48:20 PM 1041 Views
Re: Er, just because something was done, doesn't mean it will become the norm. moratcorlm - 09/12/2010 05:53:24 PM 1051 Views
At least the Aiel v. Seanchan question is answered. everynametaken - 09/12/2010 02:46:02 AM 1798 Views
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I think it's a case of what might, not must, be. Joel - 11/12/2010 03:41:36 AM 1108 Views
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