Dear lord, you wrote the Egwene haters' ultimate fantasy right there
newyorkersedai Send a noteboard - 19/12/2010 01:41:55 AM
I mean I think there's some people on this board who would practically find it salacious at this point.
As for Egwene at Merrilor, I wonder more and more about the role of Nynaeve, Moiraine and Cadsuane at this meeting. How much influence Cadsuane the Legend has over the Battle Ajah. If the Amyrling decides not to commit the Tower or refuse Rand's demands, what will Cadsuane do? Cadsuane has influence over the Wise Ones as well, and an alliance with Sorilea Egwene knows nothing about. She has ties to the Windfinders as well, and to Nynaeve. Incidentally, by going through the test, Nynaeve stands at the top of the Tower hierarchy in truth now, and that she is AS can no longer be denied. Where would Nynaeve stand if Egwene goes too far in her opposition? Will she stay on the WT side or announce she goes to join Rand? And then there's Moiraine, who has gained legendary status by "dying" and now returns from the dead. Where will Moiraine stands?
It looks to me like between Nynaeve, Moiraine and Cadsuane resides the potential to break the Ajahs and the Tower for good and undo everything Egwene has accomplished, if Egwene doesn't step carefully at Merrilor, or goes too far, and if Cadsuane, Moiraine and Nynaeve decide the role of the AS, the purpose of the AS is more important than saving the institution. She might lose the Blue, the Green and the Yellow Ajah, and see her vision of uniting the WO and the Windfinders with the Tower evaporate like mist in the sun. There's no telling what the White will do as well, once they hear Rand's arguments. If his logic is unbeatable....
The only way Egwene could preserve her leadership and keep the Tower whole would be by announcing that despite her opposition about the seals, she commits the WT to Rand and the LB.
It looks to me like between Nynaeve, Moiraine and Cadsuane resides the potential to break the Ajahs and the Tower for good and undo everything Egwene has accomplished, if Egwene doesn't step carefully at Merrilor, or goes too far, and if Cadsuane, Moiraine and Nynaeve decide the role of the AS, the purpose of the AS is more important than saving the institution. She might lose the Blue, the Green and the Yellow Ajah, and see her vision of uniting the WO and the Windfinders with the Tower evaporate like mist in the sun. There's no telling what the White will do as well, once they hear Rand's arguments. If his logic is unbeatable....
The only way Egwene could preserve her leadership and keep the Tower whole would be by announcing that despite her opposition about the seals, she commits the WT to Rand and the LB.
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- 14/12/2010 11:48:55 PM
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It would be a first...
- 15/12/2010 02:46:33 AM
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Re: It would be a first...
- 15/12/2010 04:39:17 AM
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I think people aren't giving Egwene enough credit.
- 15/12/2010 04:59:09 AM
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She's not bringing everyone for a discussion, but for leverage to force him to change his mind.
- 19/12/2010 09:54:49 PM
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- 20/12/2010 01:50:39 AM
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- 20/12/2010 01:50:39 AM
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- 20/12/2010 04:37:24 AM
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- 20/12/2010 04:37:24 AM
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Sadly, the thing you reference four times isn't actually anywhere in the book.
- 29/12/2010 03:17:15 AM
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+1
- 29/12/2010 07:10:41 AM
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I think the Tower needs a singular leader, though you may be right.
- 29/12/2010 12:51:19 PM
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- 15/12/2010 12:43:49 PM
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Dear lord, you wrote the Egwene haters' ultimate fantasy right there
- 19/12/2010 01:41:55 AM
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One problematic issue...This assumes the Dark One cannot hold himself back once the Seals are broken
- 15/12/2010 07:57:53 AM
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Err, it's the other way around
- 15/12/2010 09:00:38 AM
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I see. It's the same thing, really, just looking at it from the opposite perspective...
- 15/12/2010 09:14:22 AM
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Don't you know it's all about the posturing
- 15/12/2010 09:40:15 AM
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agreed, it'd also be a terribly boring book to read if the DO was defensive
- 15/12/2010 09:56:37 AM
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It's more that you take it out of context
- 15/12/2010 11:32:36 AM
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The DO will be forced to act because breaking the seals is inherently an attempt to seal the bore...
- 15/12/2010 08:51:38 PM
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While I agree overall, I think this is a case where Rand/TDR mistakes his role
- 15/12/2010 05:37:25 PM
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I think Egwene is successful and Rand has to go to the Seanchan for female channeler assistance
- 18/12/2010 12:47:54 AM
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Egwene's dream seems a little more personal than that
- 18/12/2010 04:55:37 AM
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Yes
- 18/12/2010 07:57:35 AM
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Actually, I think Tuon will capture her, and then release her. *NM*
- 18/12/2010 02:47:42 PM
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- 18/12/2010 02:48:40 PM
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wow. I'm not an egwene hater but I will if the freaking idiot sitters & she are the stars
- 15/12/2010 12:02:12 PM
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I wish
- 16/12/2010 08:29:23 PM
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That's just it: Egwene is not only wrong, she's narratively wrong.
- 19/12/2010 11:30:35 PM
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Man, that's the best take on Egwene I have ever read.
- 20/12/2010 12:38:07 AM
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Re: That's just it: Egwene is not only wrong, she's narratively wrong.
- 20/12/2010 04:39:57 PM
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Wish I'd read this sooner, 'cos I agree on several points.
- 29/12/2010 03:38:59 AM
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Re: Wish I'd read this sooner, 'cos I agree on several points.
- 29/12/2010 07:32:49 AM
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It seems an odd oversight, yes; I can't even recall her being Delved when the truth was revealed.
- 29/12/2010 12:40:00 PM
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Ensure this value has at most 100 characters (it has 101).
- 29/12/2010 03:00:22 PM
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Ah, good point; Rand might have to do the job himself.
- 29/12/2010 06:43:44 PM
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More likely to be Flinn.
- 29/12/2010 08:18:19 PM
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Maybe, once he knows the signs and techniques.
- 30/12/2010 03:10:27 PM
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Not sure if Rand had seized the source yet - he wouldn't have wanted to do it in front of Ramshalan
- 30/12/2010 03:15:43 PM
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Not only must I agree with you, but I think you've divined Egwenes ultimate destiny.
- 29/12/2010 03:41:59 AM
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