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Not really ... Rand has had LTT knowledge leaking into his head for a long time darius_sedai Send a noteboard - 02/01/2011 07:13:41 PM
Alivia had a lot more Power to play with, but we already know raw strength is a lot less important than skill. Cyndane knows far, far more about channeling, and she was able to see every weave that came her way. This means that she could both slice/interfere with Alivia's attacks, and she would quickly have got an idea of her abilities and strategy. And I don't care how good damane are at destroying things, they are not trained to be creative, adaptable or to show initiative. She would have been ferocious but single-minded, very predictable and easily tricked.

Alivia's only advantage in that battle was her unravelling ter'angreal, and it only stops direct attacks. All in all, Cyndane should have been able to kill Alivia with little difficulty; you can't stop a weave you can't see - or at least, Alivia doesn't know how to do so - and I can think of a dozen nasty ways of killing someone that don't require direct weave-contact. Cyndane undoubtedly knows many more. Alivia couldn't have seen them coming, couldn't have defended against them, and shouldn't have survived two minutes of concentrated attack.



Odd that Rand didnt seem to have a problem with any of the other Forsaken despite their knowledge, despite not having hundreds of years of battle experience (as Rand), despite the reversed weaves that no one ever threw at him etc etc etc, and Rand was on equal or lower playing field strengthwise except when he took Callandor, but yet Alivia who had all those benefits and a kickass ter'angreal and angreal couldnt best a Forsaken (unlike Rand).

I still see the slant towards Cyndane simply because only the key players are allowed to rip the Chosen to shreds, no one else; despite the fact that they should be able to.


How many times did we hear him think something along the lines of "he created the weaves without really knowing what he was doing" ... clearly LTT memories were starting to surface even very early on.

I'm fairly sure RJ didn't come up with the concept of reversed weaves until later in the series since none of the FS use them in the early going, which is ridiculous.
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How did Cyndane defeat Alivia? malekithe - 31/12/2010 08:03:39 PM 4073 Views
As RJ said, Cyndane knows a LOT more about the OP darius_sedai - 31/12/2010 08:33:47 PM 1961 Views
Re: As RJ said, Cyndane knows a LOT more about the OP malekithe - 31/12/2010 11:54:57 PM 1719 Views
RJ said this .. Go look at his quotes *NM* darius_sedai - 01/01/2011 05:59:37 AM 1059 Views
Re: RJ said this .. Go look at his quotes malekithe - 01/01/2011 06:43:09 AM 1529 Views
Dude, he calls it out specifically. Cyndane beat Alivia because of her skill darius_sedai - 01/01/2011 03:22:48 PM 1538 Views
Search for "Alivia" moratcorlm - 01/01/2011 05:58:53 PM 1485 Views
nothing on either url *NM* malekithe - 01/01/2011 11:02:05 PM 688 Views
Try spelling it correctly then moratcorlm - 02/01/2011 01:30:23 AM 1463 Views
I did, maybe you made the mistake malekithe - 02/01/2011 07:13:54 PM 1235 Views
Re: I did, maybe you made the mistake moratcorlm - 02/01/2011 07:51:22 PM 1368 Views
Here are few other quotes establishing how little Alivia knows of the OP darius_sedai - 02/01/2011 07:39:36 PM 1494 Views
Damane don't know about reversed weaves Skeeve the Great - 31/12/2010 09:56:51 PM 1610 Views
Re: Damane don't know about reversed weaves malekithe - 31/12/2010 11:48:15 PM 1452 Views
Re: Damane don't know about reversed weaves Demortae - 01/01/2011 01:18:50 AM 1414 Views
How did *Alivia* survive? redqueen - 01/01/2011 12:45:29 AM 1744 Views
Re: How did *Alivia* survive? malekithe - 01/01/2011 01:26:09 AM 1574 Views
Yes, odd. redqueen - 01/01/2011 01:45:01 AM 1434 Views
Nicola wasn't the dragon reborn with the pattern bending around her Helene - 02/01/2011 12:24:50 PM 1320 Views
Not really ... Rand has had LTT knowledge leaking into his head for a long time darius_sedai - 02/01/2011 07:13:41 PM 1391 Views
reversed weaves are only useful when dealing with someone who doesn't know they exist. Onarishma - 03/01/2011 07:51:01 PM 1274 Views
Depends on the circumstances really darius_sedai - 04/01/2011 02:17:29 PM 1412 Views
but why would she have any idea that Nynaeve would be able to resist her. Onarishma - 10/01/2011 07:30:49 PM 1322 Views
Well she did get attacked right off the bat... Pretty indicative that Nyn resist her compulsion darius_sedai - 11/01/2011 12:56:51 AM 1307 Views
Exactly. which is why she didn't have time to do any "fancy" and time consuming reversing. Onarishma - 11/01/2011 03:23:50 PM 1482 Views
that's where she made her mistake darius_sedai - 11/01/2011 04:47:56 PM 1270 Views
It would be these memories, his t'a'veren nature & sheer luck/plot necessity that gave him the edge RugbyPlayingAshaman - 03/01/2011 10:32:43 PM 1370 Views
Well that was always going to happen DrJacJacMcScrumptious - 03/01/2011 11:41:22 PM 1338 Views
Yes. As I said, it would have been a very different series. Thanks for going into detail ! RugbyPlayingAshaman - 04/01/2011 04:47:51 PM 1345 Views
agreed darius_sedai - 04/01/2011 02:18:23 PM 1353 Views
Re: How did Cyndane defeat Alivia? damer - 01/01/2011 12:56:54 AM 1544 Views
Re: How did Cyndane defeat Alivia? Demortae - 01/01/2011 01:13:39 AM 1421 Views
She's just that good ˥ɐ ʎpu∀ɹ - 01/01/2011 01:48:26 AM 1438 Views
magic *NM* fistofpainx - 01/01/2011 08:17:16 PM 637 Views
Cyndane injured Alivia, yes, but Alivia fought Cyndane off. Heiko - 02/01/2011 12:36:12 AM 1469 Views
Re: Cyndane injured Alivia, yes, but Alivia fought Cyndane off. Voscaia Sedai - 02/01/2011 09:56:34 AM 1388 Views
Yup. Joel - 02/01/2011 03:12:39 PM 1348 Views
Small correction - It has not been established that Alivia is stronger than Cyndane unaided... Shannow - 02/01/2011 06:02:53 PM 1377 Views
Alivia has little experience fighting channellers, unlike Lanfear (most likely)... DomA - 03/01/2011 12:56:43 AM 1931 Views
I agree with you moratcorlm - 03/01/2011 01:08:35 AM 1409 Views
Demandred wasn't commenting on Cadsuane's paralis net, but on her little bird saidin detector... Shannow - 03/01/2011 07:01:08 AM 1462 Views
Where do you get this idea? *NM* moratcorlm - 03/01/2011 07:19:50 PM 748 Views
Well, he's definitely right he was commenting on one of the specific ter'angreal in her "net". DomA - 03/01/2011 10:51:09 PM 1428 Views
I'm thinking there are 2 items that break webs in different ways darius_sedai - 04/01/2011 07:51:46 PM 1385 Views
Very interesting point. I never noticed that before... Shannow - 05/01/2011 08:02:52 AM 1321 Views
Cadsuane has two types of weavebreakers... fionwe1987 - 05/01/2011 12:51:38 PM 1199 Views
inconclusive ... the ornament may be the same one she used to disrupt Semirhage darius_sedai - 05/01/2011 04:09:39 PM 1283 Views
I'm confused... fionwe1987 - 05/01/2011 06:15:06 PM 1287 Views
Why should Cadsuane's "distance" unraveler not also go cold at nearby channeling? Shannow - 05/01/2011 06:51:49 PM 1285 Views
I'd buy this. Myrdhyn - 05/01/2011 07:12:50 PM 1247 Views
Except Cyndane had never heard of a ter'angreal that can unravel weaves... Shannow - 05/01/2011 07:18:58 PM 1193 Views
Not necessarily. Myrdhyn - 05/01/2011 09:26:49 PM 1341 Views
I doubt it since LTT claims they created the "first" ones in the AOL darius_sedai - 08/01/2011 05:23:53 PM 1229 Views
The first paralis nets, not necessarily the first weave breakers. Myrdhyn - 09/01/2011 09:53:56 PM 1288 Views
Maybe, but that's getting really convoluted darius_sedai - 10/01/2011 03:36:17 AM 1142 Views
Agreed Myrdhyn - 10/01/2011 05:14:45 PM 1240 Views
I don't remember if the AS Symbol was used prior to the AOL ... if so then it's possible *NM* darius_sedai - 10/01/2011 05:55:38 PM 676 Views
It would fit the various scenarios if she had 2 kinds ... darius_sedai - 05/01/2011 03:53:48 PM 1285 Views
Because Demandred said so... Shannow - 04/01/2011 07:28:56 AM 1345 Views
Re: Because Demandred said so... moratcorlm - 04/01/2011 08:45:38 AM 1386 Views
Well there you have it, then... Shannow - 04/01/2011 09:24:38 AM 1287 Views
Contortions moratcorlm - 04/01/2011 09:56:11 AM 8237 Views
If anyone made a mistake, it was Sanderson, not RJ. Shannow - 04/01/2011 10:07:30 AM 1237 Views
Re: If anyone made a mistake, it was Sanderson, not RJ. moratcorlm - 04/01/2011 10:35:45 AM 1440 Views
I don't think Rand is referring to the system as an indivisible whole. Shannow - 04/01/2011 10:45:24 AM 1398 Views
Besides, he knew of the Well from their previous visit to Far Madding... Shannow - 04/01/2011 11:18:39 AM 1364 Views
It's also possible that a Paralis Net is simply a name for any personal system darius_sedai - 04/01/2011 09:23:18 PM 1442 Views
I agree. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 10/01/2011 07:08:19 PM 1294 Views
Re: Demandred wasn't commenting on Cadsuane's paralis net, but on her little bird saidin detector... DomA - 03/01/2011 10:01:00 PM 1383 Views
I cannot remember Semirhage's reference to a paralis net, but if she did do so, it is problematic... Shannow - 04/01/2011 07:31:24 AM 1307 Views
It's a throw-away line moratcorlm - 04/01/2011 08:48:25 AM 1423 Views
I had the opposite view of the WO Dreamwalkers vs the Wolves in the Wolf-dream RugbyPlayingAshaman - 04/01/2011 05:07:56 PM 1394 Views
Agreed. Knowledge is power when it comes to channeling. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 03/01/2011 10:26:37 PM 1273 Views
Re: Agreed. Knowledge is power when it comes to channeling. DomA - 03/01/2011 11:07:20 PM 1394 Views
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