Well that was always going to happen
DrJacJacMcScrumptious Send a noteboard - 03/01/2011 11:41:22 PM
It would be a very different and arguably more mature series if the Forsaken were allowed to pose a legitimate threat to the protagonists.
Yeah but if the FS were released early enough to be important in the earlier books and were realistically competent enemies given their already existing advantages, Rand would either have to be mollycoddled for most of the series to survive, which would be tedious, or he would die in book 2. There's no way of keeping the FS in the series as a credible threat without reworking the entire thing. So it would be a mote mature series if it were utterly different. If the FS acted intelligently all the time, they would wipe the floor with everyone before Rand, Egwene etc got powerful, mature or genre savvy or otherwise good enough to touch them. That's why we have Taveren/instant protagonist-beneficial coincidence. That's why RJ had to work to make Taveren have negatives to counteract that. It's an integral part of the series. It was annoying in the early books but they had enough awesomeness to disguise the inherent flaws in RJ's world as one that we could believe.
Now both sides have seemed to mostly have tossed aside the Idiot Ball and it leaves things in an intriguing place. I'm going to try and focus on the positives of this than the early books when both sides had demonstrably intelligent characters doing really stupid things. It runs both ways (if the light had worked together from about books5-6 onward, the Shadow would have a much harder time, so RJ had to find ways of justifying idiocy on either side because of the type of conflict he wanted up set up).
Much fantasy of this type for this mainstream an audience gas simar flaws: when the protagonist or antagonist has so much power, either some really clever writing that is hard to implement and might bore much of the audience has to be created or some really stupid decisions have to be made. Read Harry Potter and the Methods of Rationality, for all its flaws, to see how an intelligent Voldemort with all the knowledge he
had been found to have had for the entire series could easily win against a non-idiotic Harry in book 1 if he wanted to. But that would have annoyed people. As would have writing a book with characters of mediocre ability. A non- powerful enemy is dull in most people's eyes. For right or for wrong, people would rather read about a group of super powered villains making arrogant and foolish decisions than say a large society of ordinary manipulators control the hero because super powers are cool.
And the answer came to her instantly: pride. Oh, you hear them say it's a sin; you hear them say it goes before a fall. the shepherd prides himself on keeping the wolf out from the flock. We pride ourselves on making a good history of our lives, a good story to be told.
How did Cyndane defeat Alivia?
- 31/12/2010 08:03:39 PM
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As RJ said, Cyndane knows a LOT more about the OP
- 31/12/2010 08:33:47 PM
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Re: As RJ said, Cyndane knows a LOT more about the OP
- 31/12/2010 11:54:57 PM
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RJ said this .. Go look at his quotes *NM*
- 01/01/2011 05:59:37 AM
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Re: RJ said this .. Go look at his quotes
- 01/01/2011 06:43:09 AM
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Dude, he calls it out specifically. Cyndane beat Alivia because of her skill
- 01/01/2011 03:22:48 PM
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Search for "Alivia"
- 01/01/2011 05:58:53 PM
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nothing on either url *NM*
- 01/01/2011 11:02:05 PM
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Try spelling it correctly then
- 02/01/2011 01:30:23 AM
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Here are few other quotes establishing how little Alivia knows of the OP
- 02/01/2011 07:39:36 PM
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Damane don't know about reversed weaves
- 31/12/2010 09:56:51 PM
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How did *Alivia* survive?
- 01/01/2011 12:45:29 AM
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Re: How did *Alivia* survive?
- 01/01/2011 01:26:09 AM
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Yes, odd.
- 01/01/2011 01:45:01 AM
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Nicola wasn't the dragon reborn with the pattern bending around her
- 02/01/2011 12:24:50 PM
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Not really ... Rand has had LTT knowledge leaking into his head for a long time
- 02/01/2011 07:13:41 PM
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reversed weaves are only useful when dealing with someone who doesn't know they exist.
- 03/01/2011 07:51:01 PM
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Depends on the circumstances really
- 04/01/2011 02:17:29 PM
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but why would she have any idea that Nynaeve would be able to resist her.
- 10/01/2011 07:30:49 PM
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Well she did get attacked right off the bat... Pretty indicative that Nyn resist her compulsion
- 11/01/2011 12:56:51 AM
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Exactly. which is why she didn't have time to do any "fancy" and time consuming reversing.
- 11/01/2011 03:23:50 PM
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It would be these memories, his t'a'veren nature & sheer luck/plot necessity that gave him the edge
- 03/01/2011 10:32:43 PM
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Well that was always going to happen
- 03/01/2011 11:41:22 PM
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Yes. As I said, it would have been a very different series. Thanks for going into detail
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- 04/01/2011 04:47:51 PM
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!
- 04/01/2011 04:47:51 PM
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Small correction - It has not been established that Alivia is stronger than Cyndane unaided...
- 02/01/2011 06:02:53 PM
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Alivia has little experience fighting channellers, unlike Lanfear (most likely)...
- 03/01/2011 12:56:43 AM
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Demandred wasn't commenting on Cadsuane's paralis net, but on her little bird saidin detector...
- 03/01/2011 07:01:08 AM
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Where do you get this idea? *NM*
- 03/01/2011 07:19:50 PM
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Well, he's definitely right he was commenting on one of the specific ter'angreal in her "net".
- 03/01/2011 10:51:09 PM
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I'm thinking there are 2 items that break webs in different ways
- 04/01/2011 07:51:46 PM
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Very interesting point. I never noticed that before...
- 05/01/2011 08:02:52 AM
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Cadsuane has two types of weavebreakers...
- 05/01/2011 12:51:38 PM
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inconclusive ... the ornament may be the same one she used to disrupt Semirhage
- 05/01/2011 04:09:39 PM
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I'm confused...
- 05/01/2011 06:15:06 PM
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Why should Cadsuane's "distance" unraveler not also go cold at nearby channeling?
- 05/01/2011 06:51:49 PM
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I'd buy this.
- 05/01/2011 07:12:50 PM
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Except Cyndane had never heard of a ter'angreal that can unravel weaves...
- 05/01/2011 07:18:58 PM
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Not necessarily.
- 05/01/2011 09:26:49 PM
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I doubt it since LTT claims they created the "first" ones in the AOL
- 08/01/2011 05:23:53 PM
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The first paralis nets, not necessarily the first weave breakers.
- 09/01/2011 09:53:56 PM
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Maybe, but that's getting really convoluted
- 10/01/2011 03:36:17 AM
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Agreed
- 10/01/2011 05:14:45 PM
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I don't remember if the AS Symbol was used prior to the AOL ... if so then it's possible *NM*
- 10/01/2011 05:55:38 PM
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Because Demandred said so...
- 04/01/2011 07:28:56 AM
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Re: Because Demandred said so...
- 04/01/2011 08:45:38 AM
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Well there you have it, then...
- 04/01/2011 09:24:38 AM
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Contortions
- 04/01/2011 09:56:11 AM
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If anyone made a mistake, it was Sanderson, not RJ.
- 04/01/2011 10:07:30 AM
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Re: If anyone made a mistake, it was Sanderson, not RJ.
- 04/01/2011 10:35:45 AM
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I don't think Rand is referring to the system as an indivisible whole.
- 04/01/2011 10:45:24 AM
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Besides, he knew of the Well from their previous visit to Far Madding...
- 04/01/2011 11:18:39 AM
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It's also possible that a Paralis Net is simply a name for any personal system
- 04/01/2011 09:23:18 PM
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Re: Demandred wasn't commenting on Cadsuane's paralis net, but on her little bird saidin detector...
- 03/01/2011 10:01:00 PM
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I cannot remember Semirhage's reference to a paralis net, but if she did do so, it is problematic...
- 04/01/2011 07:31:24 AM
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I had the opposite view of the WO Dreamwalkers vs the Wolves in the Wolf-dream
- 04/01/2011 05:07:56 PM
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