I'm not dismissing the quote I'm saying 6 weak women held Logain
darius_sedai Send a noteboard - 27/01/2011 09:21:34 PM
the 4 holding Rand clearly must have been stronger than the 5 who could not hold Logain.
We know at least Sashalle is reasonably strong for an AS since she's taken charge in Cairhien ...
The evidence is that 5 very weak women could not contain Logain, while 4 reasonably strong women (certainly well above Siuan) held Rand. We also know that none of these women were exceptionally strong since Sahsalle is clearly the strongest of them and she is only slightly above Samitsu, who's behavior points to her being weaker than Verin ... This probably means Sashalle is similar to Verin, combined with similar strength women 4 could hold Rand. Which equates to approximately 8x Daigian holding that shield ... and as soon as it dropped to 6x Daigian he shattered it.
Then we have similar situation with Semirhage. 3 women held her shield and it was considered "taking precautions" ... at one point one of the women was Daigian! Corele and Nesune are reasonably strong, but not at the top AS levels, ... but above average so maybe 2x Daigian ... if Semirhage, who is very close to Nynaeve, could be held, easily, by these 3 that would be approximately 6x Daigian strength and it was deemed as taking extra precaution. Meaning 4x Daigian would have been sufficient to hold her, and possibly 3x since there are other combinations of women who hold the shield and same sex shielding is supposedly easier.
Point here is that Nynaeve cannot be 10x Daigian, or even 8x Daigain or she would have been able to hold the shield on Logain. Nynaeve had not reached full potential by this point, but she was pretty darn close since she was already stronger than Moghedien.
We know at least Sashalle is reasonably strong for an AS since she's taken charge in Cairhien ...
The evidence is that 5 very weak women could not contain Logain, while 4 reasonably strong women (certainly well above Siuan) held Rand. We also know that none of these women were exceptionally strong since Sahsalle is clearly the strongest of them and she is only slightly above Samitsu, who's behavior points to her being weaker than Verin ... This probably means Sashalle is similar to Verin, combined with similar strength women 4 could hold Rand. Which equates to approximately 8x Daigian holding that shield ... and as soon as it dropped to 6x Daigian he shattered it.
Then we have similar situation with Semirhage. 3 women held her shield and it was considered "taking precautions" ... at one point one of the women was Daigian! Corele and Nesune are reasonably strong, but not at the top AS levels, ... but above average so maybe 2x Daigian ... if Semirhage, who is very close to Nynaeve, could be held, easily, by these 3 that would be approximately 6x Daigian strength and it was deemed as taking extra precaution. Meaning 4x Daigian would have been sufficient to hold her, and possibly 3x since there are other combinations of women who hold the shield and same sex shielding is supposedly easier.
Point here is that Nynaeve cannot be 10x Daigian, or even 8x Daigain or she would have been able to hold the shield on Logain. Nynaeve had not reached full potential by this point, but she was pretty darn close since she was already stronger than Moghedien.
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Could Norla be the other woman stronger than Nynaeve?
- 22/01/2011 06:54:36 PM
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It's a nice idea, really
- 22/01/2011 07:04:03 PM
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we don't know the strength difference between Cadsuane and Nynaeve
- 22/01/2011 08:55:48 PM
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Nynaeve is of course roughly twice as strong as Cadsuane...
- 24/01/2011 10:26:49 PM
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you and your assumptions crack me up ... there is zero evidence that Nyn is 2x Cadsuane
- 26/01/2011 04:41:33 PM
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Waits for the candle flame vs. bonfire quote to appear...
- 26/01/2011 05:01:28 PM
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*blows out the friggin candle* ... why does anyone take EoTW Moiraine quotes seriously?
- 26/01/2011 09:41:53 PM
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tGH, but I agree...
- 27/01/2011 04:58:08 AM
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Re: tGH, but I agree...
- 27/01/2011 07:29:15 AM
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I think it's a matter of perspective too
- 27/01/2011 05:12:29 PM
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Nynaeve temporarily holds Logain shielded on her own, while 5 average strength Aes Sedai cannot...
- 27/01/2011 05:35:26 PM
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Another inconsistency ... since 4 women held a shield on Rand who is Stronger than Logain EDIT
- 27/01/2011 07:47:31 PM
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Not an inconsistency and if you analyse it...
- 27/01/2011 08:21:39 PM
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I'm not dismissing the quote I'm saying 6 weak women held Logain
- 27/01/2011 09:21:34 PM
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Circular logic...
- 27/01/2011 09:49:40 PM
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Explain to me how Moghedien is only 60% of Lanfear and managed to do anything?
- 28/01/2011 06:25:28 PM
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Easy. And I dispute that all 6 women shielding Logain were only 10% stronger than an Accepted.
- 29/01/2011 12:42:54 PM
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Not even gonna bother ... So many flawed statements in here it's not worth the effort to correct you *NM*
- 29/01/2011 04:50:01 PM
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Wait... what?
- 27/01/2011 11:16:32 PM
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Re: Wait... what?
- 28/01/2011 12:26:22 AM
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Nope...
- 28/01/2011 01:24:18 AM
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Yeah, but...
- 28/01/2011 12:53:26 PM
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Therer is a direct quote in New Spring
- 28/01/2011 02:20:40 PM
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That's your evidence? You mean like Caddy defers to Nynaeve?
- 28/01/2011 02:29:46 PM
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It will be someone who was alive at some point during the series...
- 22/01/2011 07:11:57 PM
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Strength in the Power and skill in the Power are not the same thing.
- 22/01/2011 10:33:12 PM
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true, but nearly 300 years ago when she was a new AS she had yet to learn that lesson
- 23/01/2011 04:49:33 PM
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Possibly? But unlikely.
- 23/01/2011 11:12:01 PM
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The 6 are...
- 24/01/2011 10:09:33 PM
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I disagree. If anything Semirhage is at the same strength level
- 24/01/2011 11:10:30 PM
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Agree and disagree...
- 25/01/2011 10:44:26 AM
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Re: Agree and disagree...
- 25/01/2011 11:04:11 PM
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I didn't say Semirhage is definitely one of the 6, but his answer leaves it as a viable possibility.
- 26/01/2011 07:36:52 AM
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I'd disagree with that statement. I think he definitively ruled her out with his comment
- 26/01/2011 04:40:14 PM
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Lanfear and Cyndane are the same person *NM*
- 25/01/2011 10:24:15 AM
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I think Shannows' point is that even with reduced strength, Lanfear is still the most powerful
- 25/01/2011 05:30:34 PM
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Re: The 6 are...
- 25/01/2011 10:51:40 PM
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This seems like the most likely case to me, but Sommeryn is unsubstantiated to date
- 26/01/2011 04:43:27 PM
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I think there's a stronger case for Someryn than most women
- 26/01/2011 05:07:03 PM
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I agree that she is the most likely candidate, but there is nothing beyond speculation
- 26/01/2011 09:45:27 PM
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Talaan isn't stronger. She is the same strength and has been actively channeling for 6 years
- 24/01/2011 11:14:31 PM
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Not necessarily
- 25/01/2011 08:07:02 PM
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But that doesn't answer why a toothless wilder in a backwoods hut would have drawn
- 26/01/2011 04:49:33 PM
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nah
- 25/01/2011 10:55:10 PM
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it's obvious that Norla made her "earn" the ornaments
- 26/01/2011 04:47:32 PM
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Re: it's obvious that Norla made her "earn" the ornaments
- 26/01/2011 05:17:16 PM
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I can see that as a possibility too
- 26/01/2011 10:22:02 PM
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Still sticking to the nonsense I see...