So show knows how to do it, though she hasn't tried.
She's never put it to the test.
It did work with Mesaana though:
No it did not. I you read it properly, the poster confused what Moghedien did to Birgitte (forcing her to think of herself as a child) and what she threatened to do with Nynaeve.
She specified she could make it so Nynaeve would think herself as a horse (ass, whatever) every time she'd come to TAR. Nynaeve would not have believed herself as a horse in the real world...
So Egwene could have snapped Elaida's mind in a similar fashion (even more easily than with Mesaana). She wouldn't for moral reasons.
That's not what the OP suggested at all. He mistakingly believed Egwene could permanently wipe out knowledge of Travelling from Elaida's mind using her dreams or TAR. The point was never to destroy her mind the way it happened with Mesaana.
Not the a'dam. Each tried to bend the other to their will. The weaker will snapped.
It's the same explanation I gave put in other words. The struggle of wills is what destroyed Mesaana's mind. Egwene didn't destroy her mind by thinking it destroyed, it happened as Mesaana refused to let go.
Nothing suggests Egwene could destroy Elaida's mind the same way without a similar struggle of wills, and unlike Mesaana Elaida knows nothing of TAR or how to control it, and so no such struggle of wills with Egwene could happen.... Against Egwene, Elaida would have no control of TAR at all. She'd fall under Egwene's control long before her mind snapped.
Of course, Egwene would not even snatch her into TAR for moral reasons, let alone try to control her (that would all fall under compulsion in her book, and we know what she thinks of compulsion) but that's beside the point: nothing in the books suggests it's possible to use TAR to alter specific memories of someone permanently in a way that would hold outside TAR (short of coupling TAR with Compulsion).
TOM SPOILERS 5 Imaginary Dollars to whoever can tell me why Egwene didn't find Elaida's dreams,
- 30/01/2011 10:18:03 PM
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Where have you got the idea Egwene or any Dreamer could do this? *NM*
- 30/01/2011 11:14:22 PM
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Remember Moggy fighting Nynaeve and Birgitte in TaR?
- 30/01/2011 11:30:37 PM
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But that's in TAR
- 30/01/2011 11:42:25 PM
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I meant "to locate Elaida *via her dreams* and pull Elaida into TAR"
- 31/01/2011 12:18:13 AM
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as to that the WO told her flat out that such things were evil and only done by the Shadow
- 31/01/2011 12:53:32 AM
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Need
- 31/01/2011 06:40:10 AM
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You are confusing being in TAR and finding/entering someone else's dream
- 31/01/2011 02:24:56 PM
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Even then... you've forgotten that....
- 31/01/2011 01:53:07 AM
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I read some of that differently. TaR tricks not working in the real world = destroying walls
- 31/01/2011 02:09:31 AM
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That is not true...
- 31/01/2011 08:27:33 PM
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Thank you very much! I was wondering if I had to do a massive re-read
- 31/01/2011 11:50:13 PM
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Re: That is not true...
- 02/02/2011 12:21:59 PM
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Well, I wasn't going to suggest that Eggy go full-hardcore and break Elaida's (Lightside) mind. *NM*
- 02/02/2011 11:24:18 PM
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On another note: I wonder if finding Elaida via her Dreams and then Skimming to her would work.
- 03/02/2011 07:27:08 PM
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Dream finding doesn't reveal location. We've been told this repeatedly. *NM*
- 03/02/2011 10:20:08 PM
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Most Aes Sedai ward their dreams.
- 31/01/2011 01:49:49 AM
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You sure on that?
- 31/01/2011 02:29:43 PM
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They DO ward their dreams...
- 31/01/2011 05:56:51 PM
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Re: DO They ward their dreams...
- 02/02/2011 02:46:12 PM
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Re: TOM SPOILERS 5 Imaginary Dollars to whoever can tell me why Egwene didn't find Elaida's dreams,
- 04/02/2011 05:10:49 AM
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