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Re: He's obviously responsible, but it's not a very serious offense. DomA Send a noteboard - 03/02/2011 03:51:04 PM
Plus, if they decide to combine two Mat viewpoints later on while in the editing phase, a vision could easily get moved out of place. Keeping them generic prevents that.


This is a very lame and bureaucrat-like argument. No storyteller worth the name would think this way.

That's like saying "let's not have a character say this even if this is perfect for the scene and story, because later I might move the scene and I will have to correct a few words". If a writer did that sort of things, his work would get so boring so fast no one would read it. They write a scene as they feel it needs to be written, and if they decide to move it elsewhere, they make the adjustments it requires.

Brandon has an editing team to handle that sort of things. It takes but a few minutes to Maria to look up her chronology file (she keeps it up to date as he writes), tell Brandon on which day the chapter he's writing takes place and to remind him what scenes - as the book stands now - are currently set to happen chronologically in Rand's, Perrin's, Mat's storyline... Brandon throws that sort of questions at Maria all the time (and did... Perrin saw Rand in Tear pre-Arad Doman and so on... Brandon already asked the questions!!! It's his choice to come up with a generic moment, not because he's too lazy to ask Maria about the timelines of the various scenes!).

The visions in TGS/TOM feel "different" because Brandon used them differently than Jordan did. Brandon stopped for the most part using them as chronology markers. He just made a point of keeping those visions in the books for continuity's sake. He put enough bland and generic visions in scenes where they didn't interrupt the narrative flow too much.

Jordan used them differently, He doubled up the purpose of mentionning those visions from time to time (which we know are building up to something important in some way in the finale - and that's why Brandon had to keep mentionning them!!) with the requirement to give the readers a chronology marker (and a few times, Jordan included one for humour - Min and Rand having sex, for eg). It was one of RJ's habits, once he started having out of synch story lines, to regularly provide the readers with such markers - easy to remember ones like this, or more subtle ones for readers with a greater sense of time or a better memory (people who keep track intuitively of mentions of the moon as they read etc. - a lot of people can do that...). Some readers totally ignore such things as they don't care about the chronology or it's not important to their reading pleasure to "keep track" of such things (like there are many that ignore any map in a book systematically - including people who have little geographical sense, to evoke distances and proportions out of a map). There are many readers for whom this is important, who get distracted or annoyed if they can't keep a mental "greater picture" as they read (it comes with an analytical mind, the habit to make links etc. ). Jordan himself (like Tolkien, incidentally) was most likely the second kind of reader himself. Brandon is of the first kind, apparently - or he would have felt the need to include a great deal more time markers. It's not like we can just switch off that part of our brain, no more than those who ignore such markers could be forced to start memorizing them as they read!

For readers of the second type (as I am, like tons of people), it's perfectly legitimate to be annoyed by the fact Brandon abandonned the timeline markers. It is a big deal to us (and of course, those of the first type don't have that problem... ). It gets very distracting, and it's made worse by the fact a) Sanderson decided to have scenes out of chronological order and b) Jordan always left so many markers so we're totally used to read WOT with a mental map of the various timelines.

That's not a book breaking bug, but that still changes the experience of reading WOT a very great deal. For years we've been used to mentally place each scene in a greater picture of the story as we read. In the last two books that's all but impossible, and it gets very distracting when you've been used to read that story another way for years.

It's the very same thing as people who have troubles keeping track of minor characters, found it distracting when they had to stop and think who this and that was, and hated that Jordan had so many of those. It's the same thing as those who got annoyed with the repetitive patterns (mentions of dresses, or gestures) and found it deterred their enjoyment of the series.
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Why did the rainbow visions get so boring? - 02/02/2011 05:17:45 PM 2084 Views
toilet breaks and sexy time excluded too, whats that about? *NM* - 02/02/2011 05:24:50 PM 687 Views
Because the idiot sanderson ruined them, like he ruined most other things. *NM* - 02/02/2011 05:47:34 PM 897 Views
Who would have written the end of WoT better yet still similar to RJ? *NM* - 02/02/2011 06:39:53 PM 471 Views
Let them whine. - 02/02/2011 08:03:13 PM 1040 Views
It's incredible that some readers actually seem to prefer Sanderson's attempts at being an author - 02/02/2011 10:32:31 PM 1066 Views
- 02/02/2011 11:15:50 PM 1194 Views
I am of this opinion as well *NM* - 03/02/2011 12:10:54 AM 439 Views
Same here. - 03/02/2011 12:58:31 AM 896 Views
I agree. *NM* - 03/02/2011 01:41:53 PM 466 Views
i agree completely - 06/02/2011 04:47:04 PM 817 Views
You forgot the part where Jordan was a terrible author. - 03/02/2011 06:20:13 AM 990 Views
Re: You forgot the part where Jordan was a terrible author. - 03/02/2011 12:37:38 PM 965 Views
Re: You forgot the part where Jordan was a terrible author. - 03/02/2011 03:14:13 PM 857 Views
Re: You forgot the part where Jordan was a terrible author. - 04/02/2011 02:16:14 AM 804 Views
Yeah, it's mindboggling that someone may have a different taste than you - 03/02/2011 01:55:57 PM 1009 Views
Re: Yeah, it's mindboggling that someone may have a different taste than you - 04/02/2011 08:17:39 AM 747 Views
Exactly what I was trying and failing to say. I agree. *NM* - 04/02/2011 08:49:47 AM 375 Views
- 04/02/2011 05:22:41 PM 1073 Views
Different people find different things to be important. - 05/02/2011 02:25:19 AM 852 Views
Very well said - 04/02/2011 05:49:43 PM 1098 Views
Have to agree here too. - 06/02/2011 04:54:12 PM 844 Views
Because that's life - 02/02/2011 08:18:22 PM 1080 Views
It isn't life though. It's entertainment, and there's so much fun potential for that connection - 02/02/2011 08:27:45 PM 829 Views
It's definitely better when they see something interesting, or important - 02/02/2011 10:19:50 PM 912 Views
I disagree - 02/02/2011 10:30:49 PM 877 Views
Like it or not, Sanderson is to blame for this - 02/02/2011 10:37:14 PM 993 Views
He's obviously responsible, but it's not a very serious offense. - 02/02/2011 10:46:09 PM 850 Views
Re: He's obviously responsible, but it's not a very serious offense. - 03/02/2011 03:51:04 PM 955 Views
Yup... - 03/02/2011 04:15:23 PM 848 Views
I put the blame more on Team Jordan. - 03/02/2011 06:52:42 PM 862 Views
Re: I put the blame more on Team Jordan. - 04/02/2011 01:30:21 AM 807 Views
I don't think Sanderson is a good writer. I just don't think Jordan was a good writer, either. *NM* - 04/02/2011 02:11:28 AM 442 Views
I just don't think Jordan was a good writer, either. - 04/02/2011 04:57:37 AM 887 Views
Sure. - 04/02/2011 07:19:57 AM 931 Views
Re: I put the blame more on Team Jordan. AGREED! *NM* - 06/02/2011 05:24:31 PM 411 Views
Best explanation of the issue thus far. - 03/02/2011 10:50:56 PM 946 Views
But even then, all he saw was Mat talking/flirting with Tuon. - 02/02/2011 10:37:33 PM 1014 Views
You're probably right. There was a post not long ago about the characters tinkling - 02/02/2011 10:40:37 PM 836 Views
Well someone's gotta be displeased! - 02/02/2011 11:20:53 PM 1042 Views
Here's my question: why are there so many songs about rainbows? *NM* - 04/02/2011 04:43:02 AM 529 Views
Yep. He could've used them to show their timing - 07/02/2011 12:21:40 PM 884 Views

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