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wrong darius_sedai Send a noteboard - 06/02/2011 06:08:20 PM
there is no representative population being reflected in the Tower. If there was we would see the same number of women from each nation, in each generation etc... fact is the Tower is elitist and has an over distribution of wealthy women (Nobles specifically). The vast majority of Tower women either got shipped off because the Power manifested and there was no other choice (Siuan) or had the personal means to afford the trip to TV. What prevented Sharina or any of the more than 1000 women Egwene picked up on the way to TV from making the trip in the first place? They lived too far away and didn't possess the means to get herself there on the off chance that she MIGHT be able to become an AS. Politics aside there are likely thousands of women out there that could never have gotten to TV in the first place.

we don't even see an even distribution in the Tower ... there are far more Sisters below even Verin than above her too. Which should not be the case ... by and large the Tower has attracted women who were financially able and probably had some form of exposure to education. The very fact that there are at least 3 women born from Royal Houses in the ranks of AS proves how skewed AS distribution is from the normal population.
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Proof that Asmodean's effective One Power strength is greater than Moghedien's... Shannow - 03/02/2011 03:22:42 PM 2655 Views
Huh? fionwe1987 - 03/02/2011 04:08:29 PM 1679 Views
Why do you deliberately misquote the text? Shannow - 03/02/2011 04:12:50 PM 1838 Views
You're deliberately being obtuse... as usual... fionwe1987 - 03/02/2011 10:07:09 PM 1723 Views
Right. So Egwene can shield someone of Egwene's own strength, plus Elayne, AND weave a dozen flows.. Shannow - 03/02/2011 10:26:27 PM 1712 Views
fionwe1987 - 03/02/2011 10:46:40 PM 1510 Views
No. Egwene is very close to her full potential at the time... Shannow - 03/02/2011 11:44:20 PM 1731 Views
Bullshit... fionwe1987 - 04/02/2011 12:39:42 AM 1455 Views
Unbiased view... Nargs - 04/02/2011 01:46:40 AM 1605 Views
The WoT Board in a nutshell. *NM* Ghavrel - 04/02/2011 02:34:32 AM 816 Views
Yeah, thats unbiased... *NM* fionwe1987 - 04/02/2011 05:23:17 PM 730 Views
Don't agree Sidious - 04/02/2011 08:30:02 AM 1545 Views
Fair comment, but my question then is: Shannow - 04/02/2011 11:26:25 AM 1473 Views
I think the WO and Moiraine also Force Egwene as they know what's coming and need her darius_sedai - 04/02/2011 03:55:46 PM 1612 Views
It is specifically stated that Egwene was forced by the rigours of the damane training... Shannow - 04/02/2011 05:15:20 PM 1655 Views
Egwene has been continually forced... fionwe1987 - 04/02/2011 06:02:08 PM 1579 Views
The direct quotes contradict you... Shannow - 04/02/2011 06:23:03 PM 1651 Views
actually the quote substantiates that Egwene is only slightly stronger than Moiraine in TSR darius_sedai - 04/02/2011 07:51:10 PM 1676 Views
here ya go they were all Forced darius_sedai - 04/02/2011 07:59:40 PM 1461 Views
Nope... fionwe1987 - 04/02/2011 08:23:00 PM 1456 Views
I think you may have misused the term - RJ meant 'effective' to mean something a bit different. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 03/02/2011 04:40:41 PM 1770 Views
Re: I think you are mistaking what RJ meant effective to mean. Shannow - 03/02/2011 05:30:15 PM 1541 Views
Re: I think you are mistaking what RJ meant effective to mean. Master Ablar - 03/02/2011 05:45:30 PM 1553 Views
Re: I think you are mistaking what RJ meant effective to mean. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 03/02/2011 06:31:34 PM 1484 Views
Re: I think you are mistaking what RJ meant effective to mean. Kieran - 03/02/2011 07:06:50 PM 1531 Views
Re: I think you are mistaking what RJ meant effective to mean. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 03/02/2011 07:17:25 PM 1441 Views
We still don't know who is effectively stronger, and not sure if Asmo was equal to Rand by the end. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 03/02/2011 06:58:14 PM 1396 Views
See my post above, I would say Asmo is Weaker than Moggy... *NM* Kieran - 03/02/2011 07:10:07 PM 787 Views
I'm not certain either way. I think it all depends on the terms being used. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 03/02/2011 07:22:01 PM 1502 Views
Effective strength means who can make the bigger fireball, the stronger shield, the thicker balefire Shannow - 03/02/2011 07:42:17 PM 1468 Views
I still hold to the point that your analogy is false. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 04/02/2011 04:20:05 PM 1445 Views
My impression of your view, in general, is that... Shannow - 03/02/2011 07:33:37 PM 1549 Views
How... fionwe1987 - 03/02/2011 10:15:34 PM 1376 Views
If Nynaeve could do to Egwene and Elayne what Rand did to them, then I rest my case... Shannow - 03/02/2011 10:36:46 PM 1607 Views
Re: If Nynaeve could do to Egwene and Elayne what Rand did to them, then I rest my case... fionwe1987 - 03/02/2011 10:50:57 PM 1593 Views
Got you now... Shannow - 03/02/2011 11:32:49 PM 1421 Views
You're clearly delusional... fionwe1987 - 04/02/2011 12:59:26 AM 1522 Views
You sound ridiculous Nargs - 04/02/2011 02:05:18 AM 1568 Views
Re: You sound ridiculous Kieran - 04/02/2011 02:23:50 AM 1617 Views
Ok... Nargs - 04/02/2011 04:13:34 PM 1356 Views
Elayne is not stronger than most AS at this point in the books darius_sedai - 04/02/2011 08:14:41 PM 1529 Views
Where on earth does it say Nynaeve could do to Egwene and Elayne what Rand did? darius_sedai - 04/02/2011 08:06:48 PM 1515 Views
Re: How... Sidious - 04/02/2011 08:34:21 AM 1547 Views
They're very close now... fionwe1987 - 04/02/2011 05:46:48 PM 1591 Views
That is unfortunately not true... Shannow - 04/02/2011 06:02:34 PM 1514 Views
It is... fionwe1987 - 04/02/2011 06:05:05 PM 1348 Views
Re: It is... Sidious - 04/02/2011 06:31:32 PM 1592 Views
Yup... fionwe1987 - 04/02/2011 08:20:33 PM 1349 Views
Semirhage hated Lanfear, but dared not act against her strength... Shannow - 04/02/2011 08:29:24 PM 1886 Views
yet Graendal showed a lot of respect for Semirhage ... even assumed she was the most darius_sedai - 04/02/2011 08:53:05 PM 1567 Views
Graendal on Semirhage and Demandred... Shannow - 04/02/2011 09:23:50 PM 1743 Views
No Sidious - 04/02/2011 11:10:00 PM 1484 Views
CLAPS *NM* darius_sedai - 05/02/2011 05:15:21 AM 805 Views
We will just have to disagree on this one... Shannow - 05/02/2011 06:57:36 AM 1325 Views
Indeed Sidious - 05/02/2011 07:38:10 AM 1333 Views
I agree with you ... especially abou the perpective issue darius_sedai - 05/02/2011 03:00:58 PM 1623 Views
I agree with you here darius_sedai - 04/02/2011 08:19:35 PM 1420 Views
I don't think that's true.. fionwe1987 - 04/02/2011 08:21:38 PM 1367 Views
the evidence is that Aginor burnt out trying to channel the Eye and Rand didn't darius_sedai - 04/02/2011 08:23:50 PM 1440 Views
Considering that Asmodean and Rand were using a sa'angreal... ˥ɐ ʎpu∀ɹ - 04/02/2011 04:55:03 AM 1682 Views
I think this is a no brainer Sidious - 04/02/2011 08:22:00 AM 1636 Views
The nice fact which is proven is the magnitude of the gap between Moghedien and Semirhage... Shannow - 04/02/2011 11:32:00 AM 1456 Views
Nynaeve could be at 90% or 80% when she faced Moghedien we have no way of measuring that darius_sedai - 04/02/2011 08:42:03 PM 1416 Views
Disagree... Shannow - 04/02/2011 08:51:55 PM 1524 Views
spin it all you like... I'm tired of this arument and your creative quoting. darius_sedai - 04/02/2011 08:56:14 PM 1419 Views
The creative quoter is Fionwe, not me. You quote correctly, but your interpretations are way off... Shannow - 04/02/2011 09:05:43 PM 1274 Views
Nynaeve has grown in strength, but she started nearly as strong as Moiraine! darius_sedai - 05/02/2011 05:35:05 AM 1530 Views
Starting out at Moiraine's strength meant starting out at barely 30% of her full potential... Shannow - 05/02/2011 07:05:46 AM 1529 Views
Nynaeve's strength Sidious - 05/02/2011 07:49:07 AM 1632 Views
Agree, Egwene has never been as strong as Nynaeve at any stage. *NM* darius_sedai - 05/02/2011 03:03:25 PM 865 Views
I disagree that Moiraine is 30% of Nynaeve. Much closer to 50% of Nynaeve. EDIT darius_sedai - 05/02/2011 03:02:06 PM 1534 Views
Minor quibbles aside... fionwe1987 - 05/02/2011 04:05:30 PM 1638 Views
Agreed, the exact numbers are arbitrary, I place Egwene a tad higher than you ... EDIT darius_sedai - 05/02/2011 04:30:00 PM 1441 Views
Re: Agreed, the exact numbers are arbitrary, I place Egwene a tad higher than you ... EDIT fionwe1987 - 05/02/2011 06:09:41 PM 1535 Views
shrugs darius_sedai - 05/02/2011 06:46:02 PM 1539 Views
Re: shrugs fionwe1987 - 05/02/2011 08:03:37 PM 1466 Views
I don't recall the Merise quote you are refering too and they have not been together in the series darius_sedai - 05/02/2011 09:20:56 PM 1400 Views
I'm sorry, I meant the glossary entry... fionwe1987 - 05/02/2011 10:29:46 PM 1356 Views
Thanks for clarifying darius_sedai - 05/02/2011 11:12:19 PM 1360 Views
Re: Thanks for clarifying fionwe1987 - 06/02/2011 12:42:51 AM 1453 Views
fair enough ... I can agree to Cadsuane and Bode both being 70 with Egwene and co at 80 *NM* darius_sedai - 06/02/2011 04:29:49 AM 714 Views
Cool! *NM* fionwe1987 - 06/02/2011 04:18:52 PM 716 Views
Sorry, but here your entire Bell Curve goes up in smoke... Shannow - 06/02/2011 01:13:15 PM 1291 Views
In fact, Moiraine is even STRONGER than I postulated in the above post... Shannow - 06/02/2011 01:22:11 PM 1774 Views
well... Sidious - 06/02/2011 02:11:02 PM 1499 Views
Only a separate Bell Curve for the Age of Legends - when the average strength was higher - will work Shannow - 06/02/2011 03:29:49 PM 1365 Views
Or, you know, the Aes Sedai aren't a representative sample... *NM* fionwe1987 - 06/02/2011 04:19:22 PM 837 Views
I don't think Strength was higher in the AOL I think there were just more channelers darius_sedai - 06/02/2011 04:50:42 PM 1460 Views
Yup. fionwe1987 - 06/02/2011 05:30:54 PM 1432 Views
Trivial darius_sedai - 06/02/2011 06:10:55 PM 1430 Views
Uhhh... no... fionwe1987 - 06/02/2011 04:18:19 PM 1339 Views
Read these facts slowly, maybe you will grasp the implication then... Shannow - 06/02/2011 04:41:02 PM 1373 Views
you are missing the fact that women like Sharina have no interest in the Tower darius_sedai - 06/02/2011 05:05:10 PM 1446 Views
You equate random exclusions with the deliberate block exclusion of 37.5% weakest women... Shannow - 06/02/2011 05:41:47 PM 1440 Views
wrong darius_sedai - 06/02/2011 06:08:20 PM 1606 Views
That is weak logic in the extreme... Shannow - 06/02/2011 06:16:46 PM 1461 Views
what I'm saying is that a representative sample of the entire population darius_sedai - 06/02/2011 06:40:51 PM 1466 Views
Yes. *NM* fionwe1987 - 06/02/2011 06:47:59 PM 793 Views
Yes. *NM* fionwe1987 - 06/02/2011 06:48:00 PM 715 Views
But you don't prove that the undiscovered women are stronger. They may well be weaker... Shannow - 06/02/2011 07:26:27 PM 1237 Views
Amys is far from the strongest WO! fionwe1987 - 06/02/2011 07:37:14 PM 1686 Views
Explain the 1000 women they found in Murandy then... fionwe1987 - 06/02/2011 06:26:46 PM 1473 Views
And a 1000 years ago... fionwe1987 - 06/02/2011 06:33:29 PM 1346 Views
The only implication I grasped is that you don't grasp math... fionwe1987 - 06/02/2011 06:21:12 PM 1595 Views
Circular reasoning... Shannow - 06/02/2011 07:03:53 PM 1557 Views
No, reasoning based on facts and what RJ said, both of which you ignore... fionwe1987 - 06/02/2011 07:34:21 PM 1700 Views
If you're going to ignore direct quotes, then we may as well stop right now... Shannow - 06/02/2011 08:42:40 PM 1460 Views
Agreed. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 04/02/2011 04:32:05 PM 1460 Views
Agree. *NM* fionwe1987 - 04/02/2011 05:49:05 PM 790 Views
agreed *NM* darius_sedai - 04/02/2011 08:27:22 PM 851 Views
off tangent question: Has Nynaeve yet to reach full potential or did she already after being ... Bookwyrm - 04/02/2011 08:39:29 PM 1361 Views
I think the general concensus is that after the CK she was forced to her full potential darius_sedai - 05/02/2011 03:44:29 PM 1418 Views
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