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How did the BA manage to use the OP so strongly in T'A'R during the fight in the Tower? darius_sedai Send a noteboard - 29/05/2011 05:40:09 PM
I've been re-reading ToM this weekend and as I was reading the fight in T'A'R it struck me that the women using Dream Weavers should have been misty and barely able to Channel, instead they were all substantial and able to throw out powerful weaves like Balefire around!

The Salidar Six were all using the original ter'angreal when they entered the dream and this is what happened:

LOC
A Matter of Thought

Elayne was afraid she must look like a fish, with her mouth hanging open. She had not a clue what answer to give. She was saved suddenly by distant screaming, followed by wordless shouts from the anteroom. She was closest to the door, but she ran through with the others on her heels.

The room was empty except for the Keeper’s writing table, with its piles of papers and stacks of scrolls and documents, and a row of chairs against one wall where Aes Sedai would sit while waiting to speak to Elaida. Anaiya, Morvrin and Carlinya were gone, but one of the tall outer doors was still swinging shut. A woman’s frantic screams rolled through the narrowing opening. Sheriam, Myrelle and Beonin almost knocked Elayne down in their haste to reach the hall. They might have appeared misty, but they felt solid enough.

"Be careful," Elayne shouted, yet there was really nothing to do but gather her skirts and follow as quickly as possible with Siuan. They stepped into a scene from nightmare. Literally.

Some thirty paces to their right, the tapestry-hung corridor suddenly widened into a stony cavern that seemed to stretch forever, lit in dim patches by the red glow of scattered fires and braziers. There were Trollocs everywhere, great manlike shapes, their all-too-human faces distorted by bestial muzzles and snouts and beaks, sporting horns or tusks or feathered crests. Those in the distance appeared more indistinct than the nearest, only half-formed, while the nearest were giants twice as tall as a man, even larger than any real Trolloc, all clad in leather and black spiked mail, howling and capering around cookfires and cauldrons, racks and strange spiked frames and metal shapes.

It really was a nightmare, though larger than any Elayne had heard of from Egwene or the Wise Ones. Once freed of the mind that created them, such things sometimes drifted through the World of Dreams and sometimes latched on to a particular spot. Aiel dreamwalkers destroyed each as a matter of course whenever they found one, but they – and Egwene – had told her the best thing to do was avoid any she saw altogether. Unfortunately, Carlinya apparently had not listened when she and Nynaeve passed that on.

The White sister was bound and hanging by her ankles from a chain that disappeared into darkness overhead. To Elayne’s eyes the glow of saidarstill surrounded her, but Carlinya writhed frantically and screamed as she was slowly lowered headfirst toward a great bubbling black kettle of boiling oil.

Even as Elayne ran into the corridor, Anaiya and Morvrin halted at the border where hallway abruptly became cavern. For all of a heartbeat, they halted, then suddenly their hazy forms seemed to elongate toward the boundary, like smoke drawn into a chimney. No sooner had they touched it than they were inside, Morvrin shouting as two Trollocs turned great iron wheels that stretched her out tighter and tighter, Anaiya dangling by her wrists as Trollocs danced about her, flogging her with metal-tipped whips that tore long rents in her dress.

"We must link," Sheriam said, and the glow surrounding her merged with that around Myrelle and Beonin. Even so, it did not come near the brightness of that around a single woman in the waking world, a woman who was not a misty dream.


I've added some emphasis in :)

RJ made a point to reiterated time and again how weak and insubstantial those ter'angreal made a person's appearance in T'A'R ... so it seems like a huge oversight to me that the BA suddenly managed to become solid and seemingly have no difficulty with Channeling.

Has anyone asked BSand about this? Has it already been discussed on the board?
Domani Drag Queen in the White Tower ... Aran'gar watch out!
This message last edited by darius_sedai on 29/05/2011 at 08:54:13 PM
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How did the BA manage to use the OP so strongly in T'A'R during the fight in the Tower? - 29/05/2011 05:40:09 PM 2971 Views
Probably a major error, but there can be an explanation... - 29/05/2011 09:05:10 PM 1237 Views
Re: Probably a major error, but there can be an explanation... - 30/05/2011 01:26:23 PM 1128 Views
Would Mesaana trust the BA with even Dream angreal they could use to overpower her? - 31/05/2011 04:17:02 PM 1027 Views
Simple - 30/05/2011 02:15:20 AM 1174 Views
Re: Simple - 30/05/2011 01:21:55 PM 1150 Views
It wasn' only the BA, Nynaeve channelled powerfully too during the TAR battle - 30/05/2011 08:15:02 AM 1124 Views
Ummm... no... - 30/05/2011 08:40:56 AM 1115 Views
Ummm...yes - 30/05/2011 11:42:08 AM 1248 Views
Thanks for the link *NM* - 30/05/2011 01:31:28 PM 466 Views
A related point - there were quite a few that Siuan told Egwene were very strong - 31/05/2011 04:12:10 PM 1004 Views
that's another interesting point - 31/05/2011 09:04:58 PM 1058 Views
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I am not really sure - 03/06/2011 01:28:56 AM 899 Views
*Double post, nothing to see here* *NM* - 03/06/2011 01:37:08 AM 466 Views
That kind of bugs me actually - 03/06/2011 02:13:40 PM 1003 Views
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As Desi Arnaz aka Ricky Ricardo would say - 04/06/2011 03:20:48 PM 810 Views
I noticed something related to the twisted ring copies during my reread of ToM yesterday - 04/06/2011 05:49:57 PM 901 Views
Is she improving? - 04/06/2011 06:23:43 PM 847 Views
Egwene, being evil, subconsciously was allowing them to do so with her TAR powers. *NM* - 03/06/2011 01:37:23 AM 523 Views
*Snort* - 03/06/2011 02:08:32 PM 903 Views
Maybe Mesana told them they would be able to channel strongly. - 09/06/2011 01:47:53 PM 1031 Views
Mesana could also have... - 09/06/2011 07:19:28 PM 986 Views
Don't like that version as much - 10/06/2011 01:33:59 PM 978 Views

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