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Wait... You want intelligent meaningful books, but you're demanding action? A Deathwatch Guard Send a noteboard - 02/08/2011 06:52:00 AM
I read fantasy for entertainment and escapism true, but there are usually meaningful things scattered around in fantasy books too. I have yet to see what makes the majority of the classics different from that, aside from being a lot less entertaining.

I'm not defending Martin or Jordon. There are and were plenty of better authors than either of them (particularly the latter), and their books have their share of problems. But I would like to know why Anna Karenina and other such books alone are full of meaningful insights and ideas?
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A Dance of Dragons will influence A Memory of Light? beelaa - 28/07/2011 03:30:30 PM 2679 Views
It's impossible for nothing to happen in AMoL. Marshall - 28/07/2011 07:30:02 PM 1653 Views
Oh, you're so cute in your innocence! Cannoli - 02/08/2011 06:14:37 AM 1406 Views
Good thing I wasn't drinking milk when I read this. RabidWombat - 07/08/2011 10:24:29 PM 1246 Views
Yeah, suck it WoT-haters! We're eclectic! *NM* Cannoli - 11/08/2011 02:00:05 AM 760 Views
Regardless of how bad it is, stuff still WILL happen. *NM* Marshall - 10/08/2011 05:30:02 PM 550 Views
Re: A Dance of Dragons will influence A Memory of Light? AshaShan - 28/07/2011 07:37:24 PM 1433 Views
Actually, there is growing discontent, even among those who've defended Martin. Libby - 07/08/2011 11:05:33 PM 1488 Views
Those who says that nothing happens in ADWD really need to read CoT Zeratul - 29/07/2011 12:02:23 PM 1443 Views
Watching grass grow is better than reading CoT, so it's not saying much for ADWD *NM* Praziquantel - 30/07/2011 02:10:12 AM 527 Views
~facepalm~ Libby - 08/08/2011 12:10:47 AM 1269 Views
A Dance of Dragons is hardly filler. *shrugs* *NM* everynametaken - 31/07/2011 04:43:58 PM 843 Views
Agreed. It could be argued that more happens in the epilogue of ADWD than all of CoT. *NM* RandAllThor - 01/08/2011 01:27:58 AM 560 Views
*NM* fionwe1987 - 01/08/2011 05:22:18 AM 529 Views
That's like a pissing match between Gigli and Ishtar. Tom - 02/08/2011 04:43:18 AM 1145 Views
I regret wasting much of July reading it, so I respectfully disagree. Tom - 02/08/2011 04:41:39 AM 1269 Views
I do request that you don't lump ALL of fantasy into those two authors LadyLorraine - 02/08/2011 06:08:21 AM 1294 Views
You are completely overlooking his point, however. Cannoli - 02/08/2011 06:12:45 AM 1304 Views
F*** you, you idiot. *NM* Tom - 02/08/2011 06:13:48 AM 546 Views
At least he didn't ramble for five thousand words before actually making a point. *NM* everynametaken - 03/08/2011 11:04:06 PM 670 Views
Are you talking about Cannoli or Joel? : Larry - 03/08/2011 11:15:36 PM 1328 Views
*NM* everynametaken - 04/08/2011 04:19:40 AM 695 Views
There is that. Tom - 04/08/2011 04:51:39 PM 1139 Views
And a direct reply: Tom - 02/08/2011 06:25:28 AM 1313 Views
that's fair enough LadyLorraine - 03/08/2011 12:22:34 AM 1225 Views
Pretty much. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 15/08/2011 04:49:40 PM 1066 Views
Wait... You want intelligent meaningful books, but you're demanding action? A Deathwatch Guard - 02/08/2011 06:52:00 AM 1250 Views
I want one or the other. Tom - 02/08/2011 05:07:41 PM 1121 Views
I don't mind a little of both Praziquantel - 02/08/2011 10:02:23 PM 1065 Views
I think the issue is conflating fantasy with the multi-volume epics than anything I'd disagree with Larry - 03/08/2011 04:05:12 AM 1540 Views
That's debatable. *NM* Libby - 07/08/2011 11:07:51 PM 620 Views
Oooo! A smart one! She reads forums! Thank heavens an expert has come. Cannoli - 02/08/2011 06:24:47 AM 1361 Views
Re: Oooo! A smart one! She reads forums! Thank heavens an expert has come. RabidWombat - 07/08/2011 10:40:41 PM 1375 Views
Re: Oooo! A smart one! She reads forums! Thank heavens an expert has come. Cannoli - 19/08/2011 12:07:24 PM 1693 Views
I've wanted to say this for so long Japhy - 05/08/2011 02:21:10 AM 1256 Views
This "fluff" as you call it is important. Japhy - 05/08/2011 02:54:32 AM 1386 Views
Okay I'm not reading any of the replies in this thread until I finish ADwD, but I just wanted to say Sareitha Sedai - 10/08/2011 01:49:11 PM 1487 Views
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