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Missing the point... Cannoli Send a noteboard - 26/08/2011 06:05:40 PM
But, yes, I hated rape being used as a form of punishment by Shaidar Haran and the Dark One. It downplays the importance of the female Forsaken while simultaneously making the ultimate evil of the Shadow look completely brutish and petty.
Because it IS. And the (female or male) Forsaken are NOT important! The threat is the Dark One and Jordan and Sanderson have both gone out of their way to demonstrate that the Forsaken are petty, contemptible scum who are not worth the slightest bit of respect.

There are more imaginative punishments that beings with these types of powers should be able to inflict.
The POINT of an Evil villain is that they are a waste and they do squander potential. Why go for imaginative punishments that fail to disturb the reader? If rape is the most disturbing, than why not use that punishment? What possible reason can you give for the evil characters to forgo utilizing it?

So failures among the male Forsaken are punished with a slap on the wrist and ironic punishments while the females are raped and tortured?
Name ONE male Forsaken who has been punished since Shadar Haran showed up? There were basically four running around contemporaneously, and most of them died in battle before they could be punished, while Demandred and Moridin have, by all appearances, been successful. As I noted to the moronic original poster, the males more or less all DIE, so how can you claim that the women get it worse, especially when you consider that death is the thing Darkfriends sell their souls to avoid? What "slap on the wrist and ironic punishments" were dished out to males?

No wonder Lanfear tried to get rid of the Dark One and made her own plans. It's the ultimate glass ceiling. But the entire WoT universe is preoccupied with arbitrary traits conferred by sex, and there is a lot of biological determinism involved, so when critically reading the series, it really seems gross and sophomoric.

Or when critically reading readers' commentary.
Cannoli
“Tolerance is the virtue of the man without convictions.” GK Chesteron
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No offence! The most disgusting aspect of WoT - 26/08/2011 02:12:46 PM 2381 Views
Re: No offence! The most disgusting aspect of WoT - 26/08/2011 02:57:25 PM 1411 Views
Yes, I hate rape and I hate how it was used in this story. - 26/08/2011 03:31:16 PM 2268 Views
Missing the point... - 26/08/2011 06:05:40 PM 1557 Views
No, but maybe you are missing the point of what a good villain can do. - 31/08/2011 05:48:47 PM 1091 Views
I think that is a little unfair - 26/08/2011 09:26:30 PM 1292 Views
Re: I think that is a little unfair - 31/08/2011 06:50:02 PM 963 Views
The rapists are evil, and are presented as such in the books. Go soak your head. - 26/08/2011 05:57:21 PM 1448 Views
You make the point I keep coming back to. - 26/08/2011 08:54:46 PM 1117 Views
Ah nice, that is a good point that I hadn't thought of - 28/08/2011 04:04:20 AM 986 Views
I think the argument that RJ is misogynistic because Rand has 3 GFs is more tenable. - 26/08/2011 06:47:26 PM 1308 Views
I think giving his hero 3 GFs more likely proves that RJ is a misandrist - 26/08/2011 09:14:17 PM 1117 Views
Who said he liked Rand? *NM* - 27/08/2011 05:31:22 PM 467 Views
none taken - 26/08/2011 09:09:51 PM 832 Views
Misogynist? Really. - 26/08/2011 10:38:10 PM 1071 Views
Re: No offence! The most disgusting aspect of WoT - 26/08/2011 10:49:26 PM 3594 Views
Re: No offence! The most disgusting aspect of WoT - 27/08/2011 05:14:06 AM 1282 Views
This thread is funny. *NM* - 30/08/2011 06:29:24 AM 422 Views
I know and there are not any elves or fairies *NM* - 01/09/2011 03:03:53 PM 540 Views

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