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I pretty much agree Sidious Send a noteboard - 28/02/2012 07:15:26 AM
It could well be that the price Moridin had to pay was to allow the Finn's to kill Lanfear. He probably knew the DO wouldn't mind that because she wasn't in good odor with him.


That sounds quite a bit like the sort of answer to have the last word. It's not impossible, but it's incredibly weak/far-fetched.

I have no interest in having the last word. I didn't even have the first word, or any word, in this debate till now!

The reason I find it hard to believe Lanfear was killed after her rescue is that it assumes resurrection is a simple thing for the Dark One. But RJ suggested otherwise. If the goal was to humiliate her, why not horribly disfigure her so that she looks repulsive?


The only reason Lanfear would be killed by the Shadow would be if she tried something, much like when Moghedien tried to use the Power in the Pit of Doom, or if she tried to kill Moridin. She's impulsive but she's never gone after another Chosen before. In both cases her death would be the final one.

Killing Lanfear provides little benefit to the Shadow. It takes a long time for a Chosen to be resurrected and requires a search for a body and other effort on the Dark One's part. We've also seen that people like Osan'gar and Aran'gar struggle with their new bodies and identities. None of this is beneficial and only works because it serves the Shadow better than the Chosen's actual death.

I find it almost impossible that she was killed to remove her beauty, or to provide some sort of fall from glory. Merely disfiguring her like Sammael would be sufficient. Besides that, the Shadow doesnt work like that... Forsaken failures are rewarded by the attentions of SH. We've seen it wilth three of the female Forsaken now. There's no reason to suspect that Lanfear would be any different.
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What did happen to Lanfear? - 23/02/2012 10:54:19 AM 2985 Views
I thought Moiraine saw Moridin or somebody in there looking for Lanfear? - 23/02/2012 01:00:25 PM 1394 Views
Re: I thought Moiraine saw Moridin or somebody in there looking for Lanfear? - 23/02/2012 02:14:05 PM 1205 Views
do souls remain the same strength with each reincarnation though? - 23/02/2012 05:45:40 PM 986 Views
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Without the Forsaken its a pointless subject - 24/02/2012 04:23:57 PM 1056 Views
not all things need to be explained. - 27/02/2012 04:07:21 AM 813 Views
Sanderson doesn't think this is the case - 26/02/2012 12:47:26 AM 1004 Views
I don't think Lanfear died in Finnland - 27/02/2012 02:02:31 AM 1792 Views
I assume this was meant to be a response to Sidious' original post *NM* - 27/02/2012 02:18:09 AM 431 Views
All this could be true and could still have died at Finnland... - 27/02/2012 04:40:50 AM 852 Views
Re: All this could be true and could still have died at Finnland... - 28/02/2012 04:46:41 AM 900 Views
Why so? - 28/02/2012 06:33:25 AM 853 Views
I pretty much agree - 28/02/2012 07:15:26 AM 1100 Views
WHen and where Lanfears original body died doesn't mean much to me - 28/02/2012 02:01:00 PM 808 Views
Re: WHen and where Lanfears original body died doesn't mean much to me - 28/02/2012 05:40:21 PM 797 Views
Perhaps ... But doesn't explain what they get out of killing her ... They have proven to be crafty - 28/02/2012 07:17:21 PM 841 Views
Well... - 28/02/2012 08:13:03 PM 907 Views
then why even negotiate with Moridin? - 28/02/2012 09:24:38 PM 936 Views
Re: Why so? - 28/02/2012 07:01:38 PM 999 Views
Not even Moraine thinks the Finns killed Lanfear - 28/02/2012 09:17:30 PM 1536 Views
Limits of resurrection... - 29/02/2012 12:32:43 AM 1119 Views
Pretty sure it was Slayer - 23/02/2012 04:10:29 PM 1077 Views
He's still a minion, and would have been acting on the Shadow's behalf - 23/02/2012 04:56:21 PM 924 Views
I corrected you. Not Moridin. It was Slayer. - 24/02/2012 08:07:17 AM 1041 Views
And you know this, how? - 24/02/2012 08:43:38 AM 949 Views
Really? Its absolutely obvious that it was slayer. - 10/05/2012 04:16:43 PM 1294 Views
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I laughed too *NM* - 25/02/2012 06:54:15 AM 422 Views
Hilarious even for you - 26/02/2012 12:28:28 AM 904 Views
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HA! Sanity is overrated *NM* - 28/02/2012 07:21:01 PM 418 Views
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Now that is an interesting theory! - 29/02/2012 05:42:22 AM 791 Views
Maybe they can use the TP - 29/02/2012 02:43:07 PM 978 Views
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The foxhead... - 01/03/2012 05:19:13 AM 867 Views
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