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Re: "Seemingly young girl"? Is she actually old or something? Maybe she's not a girl? Sidious Send a noteboard - 19/03/2012 10:35:57 AM

1. Rand's transformation
This proved that Rand would not turn to evil, arguably the DO and Ishamael's biggest goal since the beginning of the series.

2. Cleansing of saidin
The DO's indisputably worst atrocity that led to the destruction of the 2nd Age, reversed in a few hours.

3. Demise of Semirhage and Mesaana
These two events convinced normal people that they too could battle the Shadow. It was well known that Rand had potentially killed the generals of the Shadow, and there were rumours about Moiraine, but the capture and humiliation of Semirhage, and the defeat of Mesaana by a seemingly young girl allowed people to believe that the highest levels of the Shadow are no more than people and can be defeated by people with a goal.


Did it convince YOU? Because that would seem to be completely at odds with your positions on a fuckton of discussions on this topic. Also kind of ironic given our usual places on the Egwene debates, you would finally come around to the notion that the Forsaken are not particularly special through the argument "If Egwene can beat them, ANYONE can."

This is what I love about these ending books - vindication after vindication! Being Cannoli kicks ASS! You guys should have all tried it a long time ago.


Seemingly because she looks like a normal girl but is much more. Egwene does kick ass... she did defeat one of the Forsaken, and that puts her on the same level as Rand and Nynaeve 8).

But everyone knows about Rand, and he's worshipped as some sort of special being whereas no one really knows about Nynaeve's feat against Moghedien. Egwene is more normal than Rand and the fact that the Amyrlin can defeat a Forsaken is a morale booster. No one will really notice that Egwene is in fact as strong as Mesaana in TAR.

Anyway blah blah blah... this bravado is really tiresome. I wish you were an average channeler and came face to face with Lanfear or Demandred. It would be nice to see all these boasts put to the test....
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Those were the exact three I had first on my list. Good call. *NM* Cannoli - 13/03/2012 04:55:29 AM 510 Views
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This is a wonderful summary of what I feel the situation at Merrilor wil be and I wish I wrote this IndigoAjah - 29/04/2012 07:41:53 PM 939 Views
Shouldn't my post have ended in NM? *NM* IndigoAjah - 29/04/2012 07:49:07 PM 338 Views
Re: Biggest blows to the Shadow... Sidious - 13/03/2012 08:03:59 PM 919 Views
I disagree on number three don't think it's broad enough darius_sedai - 17/03/2012 02:53:08 PM 753 Views
I wonder if it was advertised though? Sidious - 17/03/2012 04:25:23 PM 853 Views
I very much doubt it darius_sedai - 17/03/2012 04:48:56 PM 739 Views
Re: I very much doubt it Sidious - 17/03/2012 07:33:48 PM 711 Views
It's funny because I don't think the Forsaken have proven particularly effective either darius_sedai - 17/03/2012 07:47:58 PM 782 Views
I think they've been pretty effective Sidious - 19/03/2012 10:46:11 AM 766 Views
Yet they have done very little to move the grand plan forward darius_sedai - 19/03/2012 11:51:59 PM 751 Views
What plan? Sidious - 20/03/2012 08:18:40 AM 944 Views
I disagree ... The DO seems to have a plan and Moridin showed us he is following a prophesy darius_sedai - 20/03/2012 01:05:40 PM 844 Views
Up until the very end of TGS, wasn't the plan to turn Rand/make him do the DO's job for him? IndigoAjah - 29/04/2012 07:46:04 PM 844 Views
That's what I was saying ... Or at least part of it darius_sedai - 30/04/2012 12:45:24 AM 887 Views
Re: I very much doubt it DomA - 17/03/2012 09:59:15 PM 820 Views
Regarding Demandred Sidious - 19/03/2012 11:11:22 AM 816 Views
Re: Regarding Demandred DomA - 19/03/2012 06:26:49 PM 917 Views
Re: Regarding Demandred Sidious - 21/03/2012 09:48:40 PM 724 Views
Re: I disagree on number three don't think it's broad enough DomA - 17/03/2012 05:46:31 PM 913 Views
I always thought of the victory at the Eye as the Lights first big win in the series darius_sedai - 17/03/2012 07:27:12 PM 825 Views
Re: I always thought of the victory at the Eye as the Lights first big win in the series DomA - 17/03/2012 09:16:08 PM 875 Views
I largely agree with you darius_sedai - 18/03/2012 03:25:17 AM 830 Views
Re: I always thought of the victory at the Eye as the Lights first big win in the series guttering flame - 30/04/2012 07:04:06 PM 818 Views
"Seemingly young girl"? Is she actually old or something? Maybe she's not a girl? Cannoli - 19/03/2012 01:39:12 AM 855 Views
Re: "Seemingly young girl"? Is she actually old or something? Maybe she's not a girl? Praziquantel - 19/03/2012 03:34:11 AM 832 Views
Re: "Seemingly young girl"? Is she actually old or something? Maybe she's not a girl? Sidious - 19/03/2012 10:35:57 AM 897 Views
Oh, I'd probably die. That's not the important thing. Cannoli - 20/03/2012 03:08:37 AM 793 Views
Not that this debate really matters... fionwe1987 - 20/03/2012 03:40:37 AM 751 Views
Re: Oh, I'd probably die. That's not the important thing. Sidious - 20/03/2012 08:14:51 AM 751 Views
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