Also Semirhage made note of the cutting of lifetime thanks to the Binder, it's one of the reasons she fled.
I am fully aware of that. I acknowledged the effects of the binder, I simply am stating that it is not absolutely given that the binder cuts your life in half. She never even absolutely states that life is shortened, only that she would feel the end approaching. "...to be bound never to know her pleasures again, and with that binding be able to see the end of life approach..."
Elayne and Egwene and Nynaeve discuss losing half their lives after they deduce the effect based on the Kin.
That's only comparing Aes Sedai longevity to the Kin. It's an extrapolation from incomplete data, not absolute knowledge. And there is nothing that says stronger sisters live longer. Elayne just says that she isn't happy about the idea of cutting her life in half - she was speaking figuratively, not precisely and it was only an approximate. As I said, there is no proof one way or another that the binding shortens your life span by a relative or absolute amount. Maybe it cuts EVERYONE down to about 300 years or maybe it halves your remaining life expectancy. In that SAME conversation, they raised the possibility of a woman who is past the 300 year mark dying if she were to be bound by the Oath Rod. The conversation YOU cite as proof is one in which they admit ignorance.
The punishment in the AoL was about being bound and losing part of your longevity, when you are dealing with people who can live for 700-800 years what difference does it make if they chop 350 or 400 years off that life? It's a huge punishment no matter how you look at it.
But that sentence is still extrapolation based on assumptions. There is no hard and fast proof anywhere in the text of the exact effect and the rules for it. Strength is not irrelevant to an official posting. Joline and Teslyn noted the intentional insult of being placed in a backwater Court.
Because they were Sitters and were experienced sisters and had supported Elaida in her rise to the Amyrlin Seat. There is not one word in that PoV of Joline where she is contemplating that insult that she expected better due to her strength. In a later book, Egwene believes that a group sent out to check on the Cleansing were not very strong, when she believed that they should have sent the strongest, only to discover it was based on skills. Merana is not particularly strong, and heads the embassy over several stronger sisters, and there were a number of weaker women as well.
Certainly Elaida's motivations were based on her Talent ... And likely Gitara's as well, but had they been women as weak as Hattori do you think they would have been allowed to be Advisor to the most powerful monarch in the land? How many times have we seen weak AS given more than menial tasks? Strength in the power brings trust from other Sisters and the ruling body of AS.
And that might mean the slightest thing IF there was ANY proof that ANYONE from the Tower had a hand in their appointments! Elaida's own recollections are that it was HER choice to seek the job and she did so by attaching herself to Morgase once she realized Morgase was going to win the Succession. Not one word about her appointment or receiving permission. The Tower does not select Aes Sedai advisers, the rulers do. The Tower might choose who would represent the Tower's interests as ambassadors, but the ruler chooses whom he or she will take advice from. Stupid, YES, but it's the reality of their hierarchy. Certainly most monarchs would have no clue that having a weak Sister for advisor was an insult, but given AS proclivities no weak Sister would be placed as Morgase's advisor, no matter how much she wanted the job.
And there is not the slightest evidence that ANYONE is "placed" or that it is ordained by Tower authorities.
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Deus Vult!
"Sometimes unhinged, sometimes unfair, always entertaining"
- The Crownless
“Tolerance is the virtue of the man without convictions.” GK Chesteron
Deus Vult!
Misc observations from my latest re-read
- 14/10/2012 08:26:37 PM
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How does LTT know about Far Madding's history?
- 14/10/2012 08:29:13 PM
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Re: How does LTT know about Far Madding's history?
- 14/10/2012 09:23:24 PM
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Knowing the post Breaking history of the Guardians and speaking of the city as though he had persona
- 14/10/2012 09:56:55 PM
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How Stong was Gitara?
- 14/10/2012 08:34:43 PM
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So so stong. She had incredible stength.
- 14/10/2012 09:04:15 PM
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Degree of slowing is the same as how long they will live
- 14/10/2012 09:22:23 PM
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Re: Degree of slowing is the same as how long they will live
- 14/10/2012 09:36:19 PM
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Not in the mood to deal with you ... Go read the Ages section of 13th Depository
- 14/10/2012 09:53:14 PM
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Not interested in Linda's private theories.
- 15/10/2012 02:29:41 AM
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Not my problem if you are that lazy. All the quotes you want are nicely organized
- 15/10/2012 02:50:45 AM
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Problem is...
- 14/10/2012 11:52:00 PM
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Again, my point isn't about motivations for Elaida or Gitara ... that is clear
- 15/10/2012 12:07:49 AM
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Show me where in the books an adviser is selected by Tower authorities!
- 15/10/2012 02:58:19 AM
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Yet look what happens the minute a Stronger woman showed up
- 15/10/2012 03:19:18 AM
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Re: Yet look what happens the minute a Stronger woman showed up
- 15/10/2012 03:35:10 AM
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Yet Morgase herself states she didn't consider Elaida a friend
- 15/10/2012 03:45:45 AM
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How did Gareth Bryne get to stay Captain General, given his lack of respect to Aes Sedai?
- 15/10/2012 04:07:07 AM
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He was banging the queen
- 15/10/2012 04:19:24 AM
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And what Aes Sedai gave him permission to bang the queen?
- 15/10/2012 04:30:42 AM
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here ya go
- 15/10/2012 04:39:29 AM
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Re: Show me where in the books an adviser is selected by Tower authorities!
- 15/10/2012 10:38:16 AM
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Re: Again, my point isn't about motivations for Elaida or Gitara ... that is clear
- 15/10/2012 03:15:18 AM
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The thing is Elaida had no experience in the arena at all
- 15/10/2012 03:25:10 AM
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IT IS NOT THE TOWER'S DAMNED JOB! She had more than enough credentials for ANDOR
- 15/10/2012 03:45:15 AM
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Nope. Every other advisor we've seen has been sent from TV
- 15/10/2012 03:50:07 AM
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Those are not official advisers, those are ambassadors!
- 15/10/2012 04:17:51 AM
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So now you are saying that Elaida was a personal advisor not an envoy of the Tower?
- 15/10/2012 04:22:31 AM
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She didn't "land it". She took the job for herself...
- 15/10/2012 04:00:35 AM
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Actually every advisor we've seen except Elaida has been appointed
- 15/10/2012 04:11:39 AM
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You can bully someone into an act, not a twenty year relationship
- 15/10/2012 04:22:16 AM
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Not arguing that Morgase had a problem with her
- 15/10/2012 04:33:10 AM
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We know nothing of the sort.
- 15/10/2012 05:14:54 AM
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Prove that Elaida's post was not Tower sanctioned
- 15/10/2012 05:39:23 AM
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Re: Prove that Elaida's post was not Tower sanctioned
- 17/10/2012 04:15:37 AM
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Egwene said otherwise DomA,...
- 17/10/2012 05:33:01 AM
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And an answer to the rest of your "points"
- 15/10/2012 02:48:07 AM
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Again. I refer you to Linda's blog. The relevant quotes are there ... Enjoy
- 15/10/2012 02:52:03 AM
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The burden of proof is on you to make your points. There is nothing in the books.
- 15/10/2012 03:01:46 AM
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You mean the only way she could avoid become Queen was to flee?
- 15/10/2012 03:30:26 AM
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And never ever face discipline or punishment for fleeing? Outside the Tower, she was on her own.
- 15/10/2012 03:40:23 AM
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I'm not using her theory, I'm saying she posted all the damn quotes in one place
- 15/10/2012 03:57:00 AM
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You don't see how evading the Tower's authority for 10 years undermines YOUR position?
- 15/10/2012 05:21:29 AM
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Nope. It substantiates that the Tower will exert itself to ensure its Political standing
- 15/10/2012 05:41:33 AM
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Oh for the love of...! Here's the relevant quote:
- 15/10/2012 04:04:48 AM
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Okay, but that's still irrelevant to the Oath Rod & its cutoff period or method, as well as lifespan
- 15/10/2012 04:54:26 AM
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To quote you RTDB
- 15/10/2012 05:16:56 AM
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And that is probably the ONLY quote that wasn't on Linda's page
*NM*
- 15/10/2012 04:55:33 AM
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*NM*
- 15/10/2012 04:55:33 AM
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How old was Lanfear?
- 14/10/2012 08:41:35 PM
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Re: How old was Lanfear?
- 14/10/2012 11:27:12 PM
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I couldn't find it
- 15/10/2012 12:22:43 AM
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It's in the Fires of Heaven, when Lanfear visits Rand and he remembers her as Mierin. *NM*
- 20/10/2012 04:19:09 AM
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Are the Seanchan prophesies false?
- 14/10/2012 08:43:55 PM
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I've only been saying no for years.
- 14/10/2012 09:21:43 PM
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Not the same thing
- 14/10/2012 09:44:43 PM
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Show me some damn PROOF already!!
- 15/10/2012 03:19:18 AM
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I believe DomA covered this in his post
- 15/10/2012 03:31:54 AM
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Illogic, arguments from (false) authority and now ad hominem attacks.
- 15/10/2012 03:46:49 AM
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I just don't see the point of an argument with someone who has already been proven wrong
- 15/10/2012 03:59:19 AM
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The frequently-confessing-ignorance, can't-keep-track-of-what-he-wrote ghostwriter, you mean.
- 15/10/2012 05:28:50 AM
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Touché ... But to DomA's point we'll likely get some resolution in AMoL *NM*
- 15/10/2012 05:53:14 AM
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Your argument is based on a faulty premise.
- 15/10/2012 08:11:19 PM
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That could also mean the same KC prophesies were is Seanchan before Luthair came along
- 16/10/2012 12:54:07 AM
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Of course there is truth...
- 14/10/2012 09:42:24 PM
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Didn't know Bsand had confirmed the corruption. Thanks for sharing
- 14/10/2012 10:02:40 PM
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Re: Didn't know Bsand had confirmed the corruption. Thanks for sharing
- 14/10/2012 10:23:17 PM
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Hmmm ...I like it! It is actually very similar to what Nynaeve does
- 14/10/2012 10:31:48 PM
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How do the Black Ajah not figure out who the others are?
- 14/10/2012 08:48:14 PM
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Who says they can't?
- 14/10/2012 09:23:11 PM
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True to a point
- 14/10/2012 10:00:01 PM
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Was Sheriam ranking? Would many of them have met her? Not everyone even gets to meet the SC.
- 15/10/2012 03:23:16 AM
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Re: Was Sheriam ranking? Would many of them have met her? Not everyone even gets to meet the SC.
- 15/10/2012 03:52:39 AM
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But isn't it interesting that Sheriam and Galina, both young and strong are on the SC?
- 15/10/2012 04:06:38 AM
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Galina isn't young. *NM*
- 17/10/2012 03:24:30 AM
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Yes she is
- 17/10/2012 03:46:39 PM
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85 years being BA, 90 years as a sister does not qualify her as a "young AS"
- 18/10/2012 05:35:33 PM
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She is not dissimilar to Sheriam when she made her rise IMO
- 18/10/2012 06:53:54 PM
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You mean the SC?
- 14/10/2012 10:47:31 PM
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No others meet as well
- 14/10/2012 11:01:21 PM
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Re: No others meet as well
- 14/10/2012 11:36:50 PM
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Yet rank and file BA have methods of communicating
- 15/10/2012 12:14:36 AM
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Re: Yet rank and file BA have methods of communicating
- 15/10/2012 03:26:59 AM
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I concede that the rank and file likely don't meet in large groups
- 15/10/2012 04:54:04 AM
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Re: I concede that the rank and file likely don't meet in large groups
- 15/10/2012 02:28:45 PM
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I agree that RJ probably had some thing up his sleeve
- 15/10/2012 03:01:20 PM
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Re: I agree that RJ probably had some thing up his sleeve
- 15/10/2012 05:57:04 PM
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I have a different opinion of Delana
- 16/10/2012 01:20:32 AM
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Re: I have a different opinion of Delana
- 16/10/2012 11:51:34 PM
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Egwene only notes Alviarin as the Head. Verin may not have even mentioned or know who was SC
- 18/10/2012 02:55:19 AM
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Re: Egwene only notes Alviarin as the Head. Verin may not have even mentioned or know who was SC
- 18/10/2012 03:40:54 PM
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Give the sign to a woman and see how she reacts
- 18/10/2012 06:57:38 PM
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Re: Give the sign to a woman and see how she reacts
- 18/10/2012 07:26:56 PM
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Not a good plan, I'll give you that
- 18/10/2012 07:37:45 PM
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*sigh*
- 18/10/2012 08:25:23 PM
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*double sigh*
- 19/10/2012 04:03:00 AM
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Re: Egwene only notes Alviarin as the Head. Verin may not have even mentioned or know who was SC
- 18/10/2012 04:59:25 PM
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Not conclusive ... in fact the whole bit is vague ... I wonder if RJ would have given us more detail
- 18/10/2012 07:23:30 PM
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Surely, in part, this is how Verin figured out who the Black Ajah was
- 15/10/2012 05:10:25 PM
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Is there a Dark Friend WO?
- 14/10/2012 08:51:16 PM
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I'd like to see more discussion on this; I'm curious as well
- 18/10/2012 12:44:35 AM
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Just a note about Bair
- 18/10/2012 07:53:45 AM
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The traps were defeated by Elza before freed Semirhage
- 18/10/2012 02:53:17 PM
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Re: The traps were defeated by Elza before freed Semirhage
- 18/10/2012 07:06:13 PM
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Sorilea would have not been able to disarm Cadsuane's wards. Both inverted and likely too strong
- 18/10/2012 07:35:22 PM
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No, she would not have been able to (nor even see them to report about them)
- 18/10/2012 09:32:38 PM
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Verin's goal was to dig out the BA. A WO would have been nothing more than a momentary
- 19/10/2012 04:11:51 AM
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I don't see how it could be possible
- 23/10/2012 09:31:51 PM
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It's certainly possible, though it might contribute to making it rather rare
- 23/10/2012 10:55:07 PM
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good point especially when you consider the Aiel view on pain and death
- 25/10/2012 06:14:40 PM
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Galad and Gaywn ... Channlers?
- 14/10/2012 10:47:55 PM
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Re: Galad and Gaywn ... Channlers?
- 14/10/2012 11:36:25 PM
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Totally pointless, just looking to spark some conversation on the board!
- 15/10/2012 12:23:34 AM
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But how often in real life does that happen? Alanis Morissette taught us about death row pardons *NM*
- 17/10/2012 12:27:45 AM
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