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I do not blame you, but that practically means skipping TPoD through KoD. Joel Send a noteboard - 15/01/2013 06:16:17 AM
She is also more responsible than any other one thing for how the pacing completely DIES in books 8-11. We spent a third of the freaking series listening to Perrin channel an angst-ridden teen while she played at being a captive Machiavelli. I am sure it was all very touching for Harriet (who does not love knowing they are the model for the most universally despised character in their spouses two decade epic? ;)) Yet those 2000 pages of unceasing drudgery did more to turn off a once large and rabid fanbase than all the baths and embroidery in the Westlands.

I had enough the first times I read it. It really added nothing to the story and reading the chapter summaries online as sufficient. It took hours off my time (I used audiobooks).

I want to imagine that almost being killed in the Last Battle and spending a large chunk of time under a dead horse AND a dead Trolloc might calm her down a bit, but this is Faile, so she'll probably take it as evidence that she can't be killed. :-)

I remember thinking when KoD was released that at least all the pieces were in place so we could FINALLY be rid of that interminable kidnapping plotline, yet it still consumes the first two-thirds of the book. It almost literally ruined, BY ITSELF, what had previously been an excellent series.
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Somehow, I Actually Hate Faile MORE Now Joel - 14/01/2013 12:16:05 PM 3548 Views
Faile made Perrin less interesting Isaac - 14/01/2013 01:15:22 PM 1467 Views
She paralyzed his character development even when Jordan thought she advanced it. Joel - 14/01/2013 02:38:29 PM 1575 Views
I skipped those chapters during my re-read The Doctor - 14/01/2013 10:36:11 PM 1809 Views
I do not blame you, but that practically means skipping TPoD through KoD. Joel - 15/01/2013 06:16:17 AM 1364 Views
Re: She paralyzed his character development even when Jordan thought she advanced it. Zalvera - 15/01/2013 12:39:23 AM 1438 Views
You just hit on probably the major structural weakness of the series with respect to characters. Tom - 15/01/2013 02:54:59 AM 1394 Views
I think this is why I still enjoy Rand as a character so much IndigoAjahV2 - 15/01/2013 03:37:52 AM 1340 Views
There were plenty of hard choices, but they might have been handled better. Joel - 15/01/2013 06:58:30 AM 1511 Views
Though I too have wished for them to make really hard choices... Cannoli - 15/01/2013 09:37:34 AM 1487 Views
But they DO make hard choices; they just face relatively few hard consequences. Joel - 15/01/2013 10:08:19 AM 1343 Views
Rand certainly flirted with the moral Event Horizon a few times, so did some of the others Isaac - 15/01/2013 10:33:23 AM 1484 Views
Mostly it's because it's clear in RJ's eyes that doing something like the things you suggest is wron IndigoAjahV2 - 15/01/2013 12:41:03 PM 1368 Views
You obviously have a much lower threshold than I do in defining "hard choices". *NM* Tom - 15/01/2013 03:47:52 PM 738 Views
We are introduced to them as they choose between abandoning home w/ a stranger v. staying to die Joel - 15/01/2013 04:46:02 PM 1371 Views
Joel, I just said I disagreed with you. I didn't want to debate this series for the sake of debate. *NM* Tom - 15/01/2013 05:43:55 PM 685 Views
Also, how is choosing not to die a hard choice? Tom - 15/01/2013 05:46:46 PM 1207 Views
Because they had only a strange witchs word they would die, and leaving w/ her was perilous, too. Joel - 15/01/2013 06:17:16 PM 1248 Views
And a trolloc attack Tom - 16/01/2013 02:28:00 PM 1222 Views
True, but there was considerable debate about who brought whom. Joel - 16/01/2013 04:41:35 PM 1382 Views
Jordan said he put some of himself in all the ta'veren, but its clearly strongest with Perrin. Joel - 15/01/2013 06:27:10 AM 1425 Views
I'm glad you have seen the Truth. Tom - 14/01/2013 01:35:36 PM 1476 Views
It was neck and neck with her and Min for a long while, but Min finally saw past her own nose. Joel - 14/01/2013 02:09:13 PM 1348 Views
I just added a sentence at the end to make the series end properly. Tom - 14/01/2013 10:47:18 PM 1464 Views
Works for me. Joel - 15/01/2013 06:13:16 AM 2356 Views
In all fairness Egwene did in fact pay homage to Bela darius_sedai - 14/01/2013 08:36:40 PM 1318 Views
Bela has been there for Egwene all the time. fionwe1987 - 14/01/2013 10:16:22 PM 1567 Views
Egwene and Bela Aes_Gesserit - 15/01/2013 08:13:17 AM 1282 Views
I thought Noal was riding Bela... *NM* Tom - 14/01/2013 10:47:56 PM 681 Views
I did, too, at first, but "horse"=/="pony." Joel - 15/01/2013 06:08:03 AM 1259 Views
I think she fed her an apple once in TV or somewhere, too, but otherwise she ignored her. Joel - 15/01/2013 06:12:26 AM 1467 Views
Dramatic much? Bella lived a good life in TV and later in Salidar darius_sedai - 20/01/2013 12:54:15 AM 8143 Views
Actually, I never understood why people LOVE that horse so much. She is just a horse! *NM* aragornital - 15/01/2013 07:52:29 AM 746 Views
Pony. She is a pony. A loyal, goodnatured, overperforming and underappreciated pony. Joel - 15/01/2013 08:32:21 AM 1393 Views
honestly a child and a horse and you think the kid should be butchered? darius_sedai - 20/01/2013 12:58:32 AM 1448 Views
The whole series is based upon the love of Bela and Narg and her struggle to come to terms with his MightyYT - 16/01/2013 04:01:59 AM 1232 Views
The real problem echooff - 15/01/2013 11:30:37 AM 1397 Views
Faile will surely domineer someone into pulling Tams carts for him. Joel - 15/01/2013 03:04:35 PM 1313 Views
The women in WoT are monsters Sidious - 15/01/2013 11:59:39 AM 1793 Views
I do not consider most of the others all that bad, just idiosyncratic. Joel - 15/01/2013 03:05:51 PM 1587 Views
Oh...I think we know :-) *NM* echooff - 16/01/2013 04:31:18 PM 786 Views
I try to give them, or rather her, the benefit of a doubt. Joel - 16/01/2013 04:48:22 PM 1246 Views
Re: Tuon Zalvera - 15/01/2013 03:33:34 PM 1537 Views
I had not noticed that before, but you are right. Joel - 15/01/2013 07:45:53 PM 1271 Views
I agree completely... lilltempest - 15/01/2013 05:19:40 PM 1544 Views
Not to argue, but I think RJ created a world where women had the power darius_sedai - 20/01/2013 01:17:11 AM 1396 Views
Agreed ... Nynaeve and Lan are the closest thing to "Healthy" in the series darius_sedai - 20/01/2013 01:09:29 AM 1238 Views
Tell me then... Nargs - 18/01/2013 09:08:08 AM 1292 Views
That's a fallacious question Tom - 18/01/2013 03:21:56 PM 1403 Views
Are you saying... Nargs - 18/01/2013 09:21:34 PM 1290 Views
That is a pathetic answer. Tom - 19/01/2013 04:56:13 AM 1269 Views
You're a pathetic ass Nargs - 19/01/2013 06:48:47 AM 1233 Views
LOL - that's funny, coming from you, one of the most pathetic fanboys around here. *NM* Tom - 19/01/2013 02:32:18 PM 658 Views
Sad for you. *NM* Nargs - 19/01/2013 09:24:59 PM 684 Views
Oh, gosh, this could take a while. Joel - 18/01/2013 05:58:15 PM 1340 Views
How exactly was Faile the cause for Hopper's death? Zeratul - 19/01/2013 12:31:55 AM 1251 Views
Because her kidnapping was the reason Perrin led his hodge podge army to rescue her, and got trapped Joel - 19/01/2013 01:00:26 AM 1155 Views
Her kidnapping... Nargs - 19/01/2013 01:32:40 AM 1212 Views
I said outright I do not fault her as a character for that (only Jordan for writing it that way. ) Joel - 19/01/2013 07:35:57 PM 1270 Views
No it wasn't ... The dreamspike plot would have happened even had she not been kidnapped darius_sedai - 20/01/2013 01:24:25 AM 1233 Views
Exactly Zeratul - 20/01/2013 06:59:33 PM 1507 Views
Wow... Nargs - 19/01/2013 01:49:56 AM 1318 Views
Culture is sometimes a reason, but never an excuse. Joel - 19/01/2013 08:04:52 PM 1291 Views
Just off color Nargs - 19/01/2013 10:03:58 PM 1481 Views
? Joel - 19/01/2013 10:44:28 PM 1344 Views
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