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Re: Where's the racism and homophobia in WOT? darius_sedai Send a noteboard - 09/01/2016 11:33:54 PM

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View original postHomophobia, and to a degree racism, is rooted in religion, especially in religions like Christianity and Islam. These don't exist in Randland and no one ever said 'guys can't be together' in some tome from the AOL, so homophobia never started.

I suppose I'll have to accept that this is the reason, but I don't think it's that simple. Marriage in the series is definitely an institutional arrangement with the aim of passing on inheritance in the families, just more matriarchal than it would've been in our world historically. With that in mind, I would assume that same-sex relationships would be frowned on. And in the same way, the religious ban surely originates from biology (among other things, I'm sure) and not some peculiar whim of God.
View original postDiscrimination always has a chronological but usually senseless origin. Rand has encountered 'racism' for looking like an Aielman because of his red hair. That came from the war with the Aiel as well as the general 'barbarism' witnessed by people when they met the Aiel.

As it is, the Tinkers are the most consistently discriminated group. But if something as boring as red hair can evoke feelings of otherness and prejudice, I would imagine that a different skin colour would do that, too. Maybe RJ could have thrown in a nasty comment from some Tairen merchant who's angry at the Sea Folk for some bargain. Not that I mind the lack of racism.

I think there are many moments of macro-racism (Illianes and Tariens despise one another as do Taraboners and Domani). Cairheinin and Andorans are distrustful ... In fact the only cross national respect we really see is from the Bordelanders, but that probably has to do with the high degree of cultural similarity amongst them, coupled with a common enemy with the blight.

Homosexuality just seems totally unremarkable in the series. Pillow friends and such are taken as a simple matter of course as is lesbianism. Gay males are much more rare, but Algarin clearly inhererted and wasn't considered any less for being gay. Jordan has some peculiar ideas about how being gay works, but he clearly didn't make it any kind of social stigma

Domani Drag Queen in the White Tower ... Aran'gar watch out!
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Re: Where's the racism and homophobia in WOT? Sidious - 10/01/2016 02:25:21 PM 2368 Views
What Logain quote are you referencing? *NM* darius_sedai - 11/01/2016 06:07:57 PM 895 Views
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Perhaps, but perhaps not darius_sedai - 16/02/2016 01:26:46 AM 1553 Views
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I don't think I'm making my point clear darius_sedai - 17/02/2016 02:36:51 AM 1451 Views
Sorry Darius, but there's a lot of mistakes there... fionwe1987 - 20/02/2016 06:18:16 AM 1583 Views
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He was one of the smarter Trollocs, yeah kHz1000 - 11/01/2016 11:45:54 PM 1588 Views
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