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Flawed Argument Bookwyrm Send a noteboard - 31/10/2009 08:54:05 PM
The regular folks are leashed and controlled by swords and whips, not Adam, but it is the same thing.

You think the army seiging Camlyn go there by their choice? They go there because the big Houses commanded them. Those people are just as free as damane.

No. There is a BIG difference between social oppression and outright stripping of free will and autonomous control of your own body.

Those regular folks CAN revolt. There's nothing stopping them from doing it if they wanted to. Those soldiers have the CHOICE of disobeying, deserting, etc.

The a'dam is a different thing altogether. You can't even do anything your own mind told you to do without the express permission of the controlling person. You are owned in every way possible, body , mind, and soul.
BOHICA - Go ahead, ask me what it means.
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Is anyone angered by the Seanchan and a'dam? TheCrownless - 30/10/2009 11:14:00 PM 1656 Views
Yes, but not me Deadsy - 30/10/2009 11:32:45 PM 933 Views
Re: Yes, but not me Saruto - 31/10/2009 12:49:42 AM 890 Views
I hated him Deadsy - 31/10/2009 12:57:52 AM 853 Views
Re: Is anyone angry by the Seanchan and A'dam itsjustme - 30/10/2009 11:39:45 PM 1044 Views
Re: Is anyone angry by the Seanchan and A'dam itsjustme - 30/10/2009 11:45:29 PM 897 Views
Except the Seanchan are not spoiled chidlren who mistake "wishful thinking" for a plan Cannoli - 31/10/2009 04:48:45 AM 937 Views
Or he could have used the Choedan Kal TheCrownless - 31/10/2009 12:21:42 PM 888 Views
What Choedan Kal? *NM* Cannoli - 31/10/2009 10:15:24 PM 357 Views
The big shiney ball thing he destroyed at the end of the book TheCrownless - 01/11/2009 07:50:15 PM 825 Views
Destroyed. My point exactly. *NM* Cannoli - 06/11/2009 04:40:16 AM 339 Views
For what? Great Lord of Chaos - 31/10/2009 12:03:57 AM 881 Views
if he was it wasn't on purpose. I think he was just actively trying to use his ta'verenness *NM* Deadsy - 31/10/2009 12:15:32 AM 362 Views
I dont think it's compulsion. TheCrownless - 31/10/2009 12:16:00 AM 818 Views
Actually, I think it's the other way around. Great Lord of Chaos - 31/10/2009 12:21:49 AM 790 Views
He did the same thing with Cady TheCrownless - 31/10/2009 12:25:51 AM 808 Views
Personally, I thought he was using the TP to do those things. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 04/11/2009 07:37:31 PM 749 Views
It wasn't Compulsion...Sanderson just sort of messed up IMO Marshall - 04/11/2009 11:38:38 PM 715 Views
No Simon - 31/10/2009 12:06:13 AM 835 Views
I don't care for Tuon at all. I'd be okay if her and the Seanchan were obliterated. *NM* TaskmasterJack - 31/10/2009 12:44:22 AM 357 Views
And how is that any different from me with Egwene (except she & I are the same race)? *NM* Cannoli - 31/10/2009 04:51:17 AM 360 Views
Have I ever criticized you for disliking Egwene? TaskmasterJack - 31/10/2009 01:06:39 PM 777 Views
Why not Highlords in Tear? redhand - 31/10/2009 02:10:07 AM 907 Views
You dont really get it. TheCrownless - 31/10/2009 12:23:35 PM 775 Views
That is just POV trap redhand - 31/10/2009 04:20:07 PM 762 Views
Flawed Argument Bookwyrm - 31/10/2009 08:54:05 PM 752 Views
Not at all. Their position is perfectly justified by their experiences. Cannoli - 31/10/2009 04:29:25 AM 877 Views
The a'dam and leashing of channelers does not change the fact that the OP can be misued... fionwe1987 - 31/10/2009 09:17:20 AM 869 Views
Which is why people should NOT be MORE angered toward Seanchan than toward WT. redhand - 31/10/2009 06:22:13 PM 755 Views
That's complete hogwash. fionwe1987 - 31/10/2009 10:23:50 PM 793 Views
Using the word "Hogwash" is inviting flames, but I will be nice about it redhand - 01/11/2009 05:44:16 AM 818 Views
Re: Using the word "Hogwash" is inviting flames, but I will be nice about it fionwe1987 - 05/11/2009 02:54:52 AM 1107 Views
Think it through Cannoli - 31/10/2009 10:25:08 PM 846 Views
I have... fionwe1987 - 31/10/2009 11:05:20 PM 839 Views
Re: I have... Cannoli - 01/11/2009 02:27:20 AM 1058 Views
Well that was rather silly. TheCrownless - 31/10/2009 12:27:03 PM 721 Views
And a generation later, the same old problem arises. New channelers, with no one to stop them. Cannoli - 31/10/2009 10:28:35 PM 723 Views
Several valid points... Legolas - 31/10/2009 05:17:09 PM 823 Views
I wonder what if Egwene happen to be a child kidnapped at Flame and sent to WT redhand - 31/10/2009 06:30:34 PM 805 Views
Your point has some validity for the actual Seanchan damane. Legolas - 31/10/2009 06:43:40 PM 828 Views
The sul'dam should be destroyed Sidious - 31/10/2009 05:14:06 AM 762 Views
The people themselves shouldn't be. Great Lord of Chaos - 31/10/2009 05:26:08 AM 777 Views
^ *NM* Deadsy - 31/10/2009 05:33:04 AM 327 Views
Only the Empress can remove the custom Sidious - 31/10/2009 05:48:09 AM 753 Views
Due to their conditioning. Great Lord of Chaos - 31/10/2009 06:03:32 AM 774 Views
She will (and ya, sul'dam become sul'dam from age 13-18 usually) *NM* Deadsy - 31/10/2009 06:12:48 AM 364 Views
Random Saragorn - 31/10/2009 10:26:34 AM 739 Views
Agreed Simon - 31/10/2009 02:52:33 PM 751 Views
I think the a'dam is the perfect solution for Blacks and the Shaido 'Wise Ones'. Gher - 01/11/2009 02:51:27 AM 838 Views
Yes. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 04/11/2009 06:15:08 PM 702 Views
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