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Re: Or is she? Fanatic-Templar Send a noteboard - 11/11/2009 10:16:22 PM
Well we could easily assume she also had a plan for the eventuality that Rand's people wouldn't find the conspicuous poisoner and find out the name of the lair from him. The idea that she would calmly seat on compulsed human chair in her mansion while the homicidal Dragon Reborn was just outside her mansion is bizarre.


Not at all. She'd made her moves, and was waiting to see how Rand would react. She simply didn't plan for the possibility that Rand would simply risk destroying existence itself just to wipe out reality in a few kilometers wide radius using balefire. He's supposed to be one of the good guys, remember? Plus, she knows about Rand's inability to harm women, she says that she's counting on it. How would she expect this?

I never thought that Semiharge planned it all along. I know it's tempting to believe in your incompetent fools theory but the big problem with it is that if true, we must then conclude that, excluding some few exceptions like the main heroes in the books, everyone else in the world are even bigger fools, more ridiculously incompetent than even the most incompetent of the forsaken, since by all account they fell into the forsakens' scheme at the drop of the hat every single time.


Erm. No? What schemes? Half of the Forsaken have simply Compelled and Illusioned themselves into positions of power where they operate with all the guile and cunning of Elaida. The other half haven't done anything. And since I have no idea what Demandred is doing, that leaves only Ishamael to have actually been a manipulative little bastard.

I really don't see why the Great Lord would give Rand his aid against Semiharge if he didn't want him to escape her. Even supposing a cabal of Aes Sedai and Wise Ones manage to subdue the linked Semiharge Elza and Rand (that are using Rand as their human shield) why would the Great Lord need to interfere? He seems to be a vengeful lord and because Rand used Balefire he will now be unable to punish Semiharge soul. The obvious answer is that the Great Lord wanted Rand to use the True Power all along because it made Rand a darker character, easier to control, and it made him subject to the supposedly irresistible temptation of the True Power that only the Dark Lord can give.


Shai'tan doesn't give a rat's arse about his followers. Torturing the dead is a complete waste of time, why would he do something like that? Heck, why torture his followers, not his enemies?

And yes, I agree with your conclusion. Shai'tan did want Rand to use the True Power to destroy Semirhage. It binds Rand to him, removes his last moral restraint (however annoying it was for us readers) and gets him to use a weapon that risks destroying existence (which is what Shai'tan wants.) But that has nothing to do with Graendal's death.

Not every Forsaken dramatically faced turned out dead. Lanfear reappeared on the scene after her dramatic confrontation in Cairihien. Ishmael reappeared three times already after being soundly given mortal blows. Graendal didn't even get a really dramatic sence.


Lanfear did die after her confrontation in Cairhien. And Ishamael is exceptional.

As I said the style fits her better than it does him or the Great Lord. Why would he labor and scheme to torment Rand when he already assigned his capable minion Graendal to it?


If you understand Shai'tan's mind, then you are quite fortunate. We've seen little enough of his schemes. Verin certainly feels that Shai'tan is beyond comprehension.

But anyway, this was Moridin's idea.
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Graendal - 11/11/2009 11:02:33 AM 1367 Views
Nice post... thanks *NM* - 11/11/2009 12:27:27 PM 232 Views
A few comments... - 11/11/2009 04:03:56 PM 581 Views
Re: A few comments... - 12/11/2009 09:38:29 AM 551 Views
and it was also celarly said (at some point in the past) - 11/11/2009 05:57:01 PM 550 Views
She's dead. - 11/11/2009 06:09:49 PM 556 Views
Or is she? - 11/11/2009 08:18:34 PM 546 Views
Re: Or is she? - 11/11/2009 10:16:22 PM 509 Views
Re: Or is she? - 12/11/2009 10:12:42 AM 566 Views
Re: Or is she? - 12/11/2009 07:44:05 PM 542 Views
This conversation works best if you only read the titles. *NM* - 12/11/2009 08:02:11 PM 210 Views
Everyone knows the title is the heart of the argument - 13/11/2009 04:33:25 PM 428 Views
I've said the same before, and agree. *NM* - 11/11/2009 06:48:31 PM 214 Views
I agree! *NM* - 12/11/2009 07:19:46 PM 194 Views
Didn't RJ say in an interview a while back that no more Forsaken would be coming back? - 13/11/2009 04:19:01 PM 439 Views
But did she really go away? *NM* - 13/11/2009 04:28:27 PM 194 Views
Yes, she's gone. Your theory is far fetched to say the least. *NM* - 13/11/2009 05:05:30 PM 201 Views

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