A wonderful commentary on 'nation building' too, I suppose
Isaac Send a noteboard - 14/11/2009 08:22:46 AM
I don't really approve of using 'for their own good' to justify conquest, at the same time, I note that very few people tore down their aqueducts or ripped up their roads when Rome's fist vanished.
In this particular context, I don't see Rand's actions in Arad Doman, or his previous essentially identical but more successful action in Carheinen as unjustified or immoral in any particular way. Nor his subsequent retreat as immoral, just tragic. But the specific morality of his actions, or British Imperialism, is another matter, it isn't 'evil' by any moral compass I can think of. As to the other points, nuking Graendal seems entirely rational and ethical.
I don't think we can call the borderlanders invaders, they were permitted by the soveriegn of Andor to cross Andor, and I don't recall hearing that Far MAdding had either objected to their presence or was Rand's territory. Though their behavior is hostile, moving troops through neutral countries with their permission is not by itself cassus belli, especially when the nominal invaders are waving a parley flag.
In this particular context, I don't see Rand's actions in Arad Doman, or his previous essentially identical but more successful action in Carheinen as unjustified or immoral in any particular way. Nor his subsequent retreat as immoral, just tragic. But the specific morality of his actions, or British Imperialism, is another matter, it isn't 'evil' by any moral compass I can think of. As to the other points, nuking Graendal seems entirely rational and ethical.
I don't think we can call the borderlanders invaders, they were permitted by the soveriegn of Andor to cross Andor, and I don't recall hearing that Far MAdding had either objected to their presence or was Rand's territory. Though their behavior is hostile, moving troops through neutral countries with their permission is not by itself cassus belli, especially when the nominal invaders are waving a parley flag.
The intuitive mind is a sacred gift and the rational mind is a faithful servant. We have created a society that honors the servant and has forgotten the gift.
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Chancellor of the Landsraad, Archduke of Is'Mod
- Albert Einstein
King of Cairhien 20-7-2
Chancellor of the Landsraad, Archduke of Is'Mod
Rand is NOT evil in tGS, nor does he do any evil
14/11/2009 12:26:27 AM
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That is nonsense...
14/11/2009 12:47:22 AM
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Re: That is nonsense...
14/11/2009 05:30:01 AM
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So what?
14/11/2009 09:28:49 AM
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Sorry... gotta disagree.
14/11/2009 01:09:30 AM
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Re: Sorry... gotta disagree.
14/11/2009 03:49:49 AM
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I disagree with prety much everything
14/11/2009 03:10:12 AM
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Wouldn't the Chaos Graendal was causing in Arad Doman be greater than the chaos Rand caused?
14/11/2009 04:11:48 AM
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nothing Graendal did almost caused the Pattern to collapse *NM*
14/11/2009 05:59:21 AM
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The chaos the Forsaken are causing is causing the world to collapse and the DO to get stronger
14/11/2009 07:48:05 AM
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Re: I disagree with prety much everything
14/11/2009 05:45:14 AM
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Why in the world is quantity irrelevant?
14/11/2009 06:01:13 AM
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A murderer is evil. What difference does it make how many? That's just degrees. There's no OK number
14/11/2009 07:22:47 AM
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Ok, let's take this a step further
14/11/2009 09:45:50 PM
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Rand has not yet crossed the moral event horizon of no return,
14/11/2009 03:27:22 AM
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Then he already passed the horizon by your reckoning. He DID choose to do those things.
14/11/2009 07:45:46 AM
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Then maybe we just have different standards.
14/11/2009 11:56:02 AM
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Why do you keep bringing up genocide? Rand was not doing that.
15/11/2009 01:02:23 AM
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To me, the Rules of War is nothing but a contract between parties.
15/11/2009 08:39:55 PM
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It's too late in the game to worry about followers. He has no further political agenda *NM*
19/11/2009 01:01:04 AM
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What Rand did that was evil.
14/11/2009 04:06:17 AM
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I don't see Arad Doman
14/11/2009 04:57:20 AM
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Take up the Dragon's burden...
14/11/2009 07:56:46 AM
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A wonderful commentary on 'nation building' too, I suppose
14/11/2009 08:22:46 AM
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