Perhaps it wasn't evil but it was very callous. Leaders in war have to make tough decisions. Tens of thousands of people will die because of this decision, unless the Seanchen can come in quickly or some other agency hears about it with the power to help. Perhaps the seafolk will realize that using gateways to transport the goods would be faster.
Even so, there is a general food shortage? Why is anyone obligated to keep tossing down the Arad Domon rathole? Food is not some sort of right, and feeding people, however admirable, is not an obligation. In fact, that is WHY it is admirable - because no one is obligated to do it, but they do anyway.I won't argue against you since it really is not my point. The bombings at Hiroshima and Nagasaki are believed by many to have ended the war. That is the analogy, that I was trying to get at. There are plenty of people who disagree that they ended the war. But very few of those people would say that Truman was evil for ordering the attack.
Hello. Did someone mention me? The only defense is that Truman was pretty clueless at that point and might not have completely understood what he was getting into. The attack may be evil, but those who ordered it and implemented it, truly believed that it would save more lives on both sides then it ended. I am not trying to prove that what Rand did was the correct thing to do. (That would be too hard.) I am only trying to show that he wasn't evil to do it.
It WAS the correct thing to do. There might have been better ways, but it is absurd to expect fallible human people to sit around looking for the 'perfect' method or tactic. Rand is morally in the clear by a long shot. The situation is not comparable to WW2 in the slightest.Few historians would argue that the firebombings helped end the war. They attacked no military targets and were designed only for terror. From a military point of view, the trouble with terrorism is that sometimes it stiffens the resolve of the opponent rather then weakening it.
As per the evidence they had for years. The only evidence of bombings intimidating anyone were the French & Low Countries, who panicked because of the pre-war hysteria over the havoc bombers would cause (in the inter-War years, the bombers were viewed in much the same way nuclear missiles were during the Cold War), and those were the politicians who were, admirably, from a humanitarian standpoint, concerned about their people being wiped out from the air. The idea that Churchill & Roosevelt & the men of Bomber Command and the Army Air Corps believed Hitler had the same humanitarian outlook is absurd. That definitely happened with Germany. Terror has always been a part of war. Those who defend it defend it on the basis that it can under certain circumstances save more civilian lives then it destroys. (I am not certain that I agree with that or that it is worth the other costs; I am not a military historian, though.)
Neither am I, but it is fairly obvious that they were full of it. Churchill floated plans to bomb the German countryside with anthrax, and as First Lord of the Admiralty in World War One, was responsible for the starvation blockage the British imposed on Germany (a far more grotesque violation of the letter & spirit of the naval laws of warfare at the time than unrestricted submarine warfare). Of course this is also a guy who, when the British official in charge of India complained that their policies were causing a famine there, replied by demanding to know why Gandhi was not dead yet. In any case, though, few people would argue that those who killed the thousands of civilians in Tokyo were evil. The same argument applies to Rand.
No, it does not. The deaths in Tokyo & Hiroshima & Nagasaki WERE the point. The extra deaths besides Graendal were incidental, as Rand was targeting her. Even if there was a target of equivalent stature to Graendal in Japan, no one was aiming for it. They were not trying to take out the Emperor or the Prime Minister or the military commanders. They were just bombing to wreck stuff. And I don't care how many people would argue a position. Right & wrong are not matters of democracy. If everyone in the world believes an action justified and it is not, then everyone is wrong.
Cannoli
“Tolerance is the virtue of the man without convictions.” GK Chesteron
Inde muagdhe Aes Sedai misain ye!
Deus Vult!
*MySmiley*
“Tolerance is the virtue of the man without convictions.” GK Chesteron
Inde muagdhe Aes Sedai misain ye!
Deus Vult!
*MySmiley*
Rand is NOT evil in tGS, nor does he do any evil
14/11/2009 12:26:27 AM
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That is nonsense...
14/11/2009 12:47:22 AM
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Re: That is nonsense...
14/11/2009 05:30:01 AM
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So what?
14/11/2009 09:28:49 AM
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Sorry... gotta disagree.
14/11/2009 01:09:30 AM
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Re: Sorry... gotta disagree.
14/11/2009 03:49:49 AM
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I disagree with prety much everything
14/11/2009 03:10:12 AM
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Wouldn't the Chaos Graendal was causing in Arad Doman be greater than the chaos Rand caused?
14/11/2009 04:11:48 AM
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nothing Graendal did almost caused the Pattern to collapse *NM*
14/11/2009 05:59:21 AM
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The chaos the Forsaken are causing is causing the world to collapse and the DO to get stronger
14/11/2009 07:48:05 AM
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Re: I disagree with prety much everything
14/11/2009 05:45:14 AM
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Why in the world is quantity irrelevant?
14/11/2009 06:01:13 AM
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A murderer is evil. What difference does it make how many? That's just degrees. There's no OK number
14/11/2009 07:22:47 AM
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Ok, let's take this a step further
14/11/2009 09:45:50 PM
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Rand has not yet crossed the moral event horizon of no return,
14/11/2009 03:27:22 AM
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Then he already passed the horizon by your reckoning. He DID choose to do those things.
14/11/2009 07:45:46 AM
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Then maybe we just have different standards.
14/11/2009 11:56:02 AM
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Why do you keep bringing up genocide? Rand was not doing that.
15/11/2009 01:02:23 AM
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To me, the Rules of War is nothing but a contract between parties.
15/11/2009 08:39:55 PM
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It's too late in the game to worry about followers. He has no further political agenda *NM*
19/11/2009 01:01:04 AM
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What Rand did that was evil.
14/11/2009 04:06:17 AM
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I don't see Arad Doman
14/11/2009 04:57:20 AM
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