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You must not have been reading the same series I have. Legolas Send a noteboard - 07/12/2009 10:33:23 PM
I have struggled with Elayne and Egwene. I suspect the problem is that they are TOO realistic: teenage girls with a teenage girl world view (it's-all-about-me-pretending-its-about-you).

Here I can see your point, though honestly, if Egwene's guilty of that, most Aes Sedai other than Cadsuane, Moiraine and a few others are. Not being teenage girls, obviously, but self-involved and concerned with nothing but the Tower, their Ajah and themselves, not necessarily in that order.
Inexperienced, immature, hormonal, cute and powerful. No wonder Rand hides away.

Here, somewhat. Elayne has moments when her noble upbringing and lack of understanding of the real world shine through, but they're hardly that frequent, apart from the odd behaviour in SR and FoH; same with Egwene's occasional stupid ideas. And in later books, I don't think you can call either immature, much less inexperienced.
Think of of Elayne as Clare (Hayden Panettiere) in Heroes. Adorable, well meaning, and - to paraphrase Douglas Adams - brain the size of a small plant. (Doesn't dropping a vowel make a difference?)

Actually, she's one of the smartest of the main characters. And, considering her upbringing, surprisingly good at admitting mistakes when she does get it wrong, as seen from Mat's PoV.
Egwene is more Padme (Natalie Portman) in Phantom Menace. A 14 year old elected Queen (one of George's weirder ideas) with that earnest, well-meaning uppity-naivete that is simultaneously sweet and terrifying. Gawyn also suits as Anakin - ninja psychopath incapable of empathy or self-analysis.

Gawyn as Anakin is funny because it's so true. ;) As for Egwene and Padme, I haven't seen tPM in ages... but annoying as Egwene can be, and tiresome as her PoV gets, she's rarely naive.
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Semirhage and Egwene redqueen - 04/12/2009 02:31:45 PM 2029 Views
I agree with all of that. nossy - 04/12/2009 02:58:48 PM 1272 Views
Re: I agree with all of that. *NM* Sidious - 04/12/2009 03:22:49 PM 618 Views
Re: I agree with all of that. nossy - 04/12/2009 03:29:46 PM 1232 Views
Re: I agree with all of that. Sidious - 04/12/2009 03:33:03 PM 1232 Views
Re: I agree with all of that. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 04/12/2009 04:13:55 PM 1102 Views
The entire cast is full of Perfect Sues and Stuarts (I may have just made latter up) RugbyPlayingAshaman - 04/12/2009 03:14:27 PM 1267 Views
If you plan to write that review before the last two books are out, you better get re-reading now. *NM* Insomdeon - 04/12/2009 03:20:31 PM 566 Views
I'm actually pretty comfortable with it! RugbyPlayingAshaman - 04/12/2009 04:12:32 PM 1200 Views
Re: I'm actually pretty comfortable with it! darius_sedai - 04/12/2009 06:50:10 PM 1216 Views
about Semirhage Sidious - 04/12/2009 03:21:32 PM 1605 Views
but nossy - 04/12/2009 03:26:29 PM 1150 Views
Re: but Sidious - 04/12/2009 03:35:52 PM 1169 Views
Re: but nossy - 04/12/2009 03:46:00 PM 1284 Views
Re: but Sidious - 04/12/2009 03:51:03 PM 1199 Views
Cadsuane is rather close to perfect herself. Legolas - 04/12/2009 08:37:21 PM 1333 Views
Re: but TaskmasterJack - 04/12/2009 05:04:12 PM 1164 Views
Re: but WAV - 04/12/2009 05:41:51 PM 1206 Views
She was never THAT person. Wotmaniac Reborn - 06/12/2009 01:22:39 AM 1141 Views
Never WHAT person? nossy - 06/12/2009 10:21:43 PM 1190 Views
I'm not sure I agree Sidious - 08/12/2009 12:54:43 PM 1018 Views
I agree! RugbyPlayingAshaman - 04/12/2009 04:31:24 PM 1119 Views
Re: about Semirhage redqueen - 04/12/2009 08:16:15 PM 1182 Views
Alas, Semirhage was actually an idiot Etzel - 04/12/2009 05:03:48 PM 1298 Views
Re: Alas, Semirhage was actually an idiot darius_sedai - 04/12/2009 06:42:41 PM 1196 Views
If one compares the characters... Etzel - 05/12/2009 11:24:16 AM 1081 Views
Did I miss Rand's marriage ceremonies? I always thought the three girls only bonded him *NM* Voscaia Sedai - 05/12/2009 11:27:36 AM 555 Views
You are right... Etzel - 05/12/2009 12:21:59 PM 1152 Views
I disagree darius_sedai - 05/12/2009 05:11:28 PM 1116 Views
Egwene had the best mix of teachers and a desire to learn. Most believable, IMO. *NM* fionwe1987 - 04/12/2009 10:17:56 PM 581 Views
That's really nonsense Etzel - 05/12/2009 11:13:20 AM 1068 Views
I think your perception is very skewed darius_sedai - 05/12/2009 05:16:46 PM 1151 Views
Agreed Sidious - 05/12/2009 06:15:46 PM 1157 Views
Bull! fionwe1987 - 06/12/2009 02:55:13 AM 1148 Views
Rabbit! BlackAdder - 06/12/2009 04:14:10 AM 1056 Views
Re: Alas, Semirhage was actually an idiot Sidious - 05/12/2009 06:11:40 PM 1110 Views
Indeed darius_sedai - 05/12/2009 06:30:39 PM 1196 Views
And yet Egwene is still a fool regarding Gawyn. Lord Haart - 04/12/2009 05:44:49 PM 1220 Views
Gawyn is a fool all of his own redqueen - 04/12/2009 08:02:10 PM 1171 Views
Re: Gawyn is a fool all of his own Lord Haart - 05/12/2009 05:54:11 AM 1069 Views
Please stop - your use of logic here is sickening! BlackAdder - 06/12/2009 04:43:31 AM 1123 Views
I disagree with most of that rAndy aL - 05/12/2009 10:58:12 AM 1184 Views
Egwene has a long way to go ... Abunderment - 05/12/2009 06:16:31 PM 1216 Views
Hardly a blunder Nameless Ashaman - 06/12/2009 01:43:54 AM 1130 Views
Re: Hardly a blunder? Send Egwene back to Silviana. Abunderment - 07/12/2009 04:03:08 PM 1154 Views
Or she her rescue forced her hand. She lost her advantage darius_sedai - 07/12/2009 04:47:56 PM 1014 Views
She lost her advantage?!? Siuan probably saved her life Abunderment - 09/12/2009 11:57:26 AM 1135 Views
darius_sedai - 09/12/2009 03:24:34 PM 1163 Views
She should have attacked when they first arrived Nameless Ashaman - 07/12/2009 09:35:33 PM 1042 Views
Don't damn me, damn Graendal Abunderment - 09/12/2009 12:51:18 PM 1079 Views
Re: Don't damn me, damn Graendal Nameless Ashaman - 09/12/2009 06:11:53 PM 1269 Views
A couple of points darius_sedai - 09/12/2009 07:11:18 PM 1161 Views
Yes, the Aes Sedai need to rediscover the meaning of "servants of all" *NM* BlackAdder - 06/12/2009 05:03:19 AM 1176 Views
I'm re-reading the series now for the first time in years. Egwene has always been a weak character. Master Radishes - 07/12/2009 01:12:15 AM 1116 Views
LOL *NM* Sidious - 07/12/2009 04:29:56 AM 493 Views
I think you'll find few people who agree with you on both of those counts... Legolas - 07/12/2009 01:53:58 PM 1165 Views
Not at all. Master Radishes - 07/12/2009 03:20:38 PM 1077 Views
Irritating teen spirits ... Abunderment - 07/12/2009 04:32:51 PM 1184 Views
As long as the bags were Louis Vuitton all would be fine *NM* darius_sedai - 07/12/2009 04:51:13 PM 607 Views
You must not have been reading the same series I have. Legolas - 07/12/2009 10:33:23 PM 1279 Views
Re: You must not have been reading the same series I have. Abunderment - 09/12/2009 01:12:56 PM 1083 Views
Re: You must not have been reading the same series I have. Legolas - 09/12/2009 02:59:04 PM 1276 Views
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