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You must not have been reading the same series I have. Legolas Send a noteboard - 07/12/2009 10:33:23 PM
I have struggled with Elayne and Egwene. I suspect the problem is that they are TOO realistic: teenage girls with a teenage girl world view (it's-all-about-me-pretending-its-about-you).

Here I can see your point, though honestly, if Egwene's guilty of that, most Aes Sedai other than Cadsuane, Moiraine and a few others are. Not being teenage girls, obviously, but self-involved and concerned with nothing but the Tower, their Ajah and themselves, not necessarily in that order.
Inexperienced, immature, hormonal, cute and powerful. No wonder Rand hides away.

Here, somewhat. Elayne has moments when her noble upbringing and lack of understanding of the real world shine through, but they're hardly that frequent, apart from the odd behaviour in SR and FoH; same with Egwene's occasional stupid ideas. And in later books, I don't think you can call either immature, much less inexperienced.
Think of of Elayne as Clare (Hayden Panettiere) in Heroes. Adorable, well meaning, and - to paraphrase Douglas Adams - brain the size of a small plant. (Doesn't dropping a vowel make a difference?)

Actually, she's one of the smartest of the main characters. And, considering her upbringing, surprisingly good at admitting mistakes when she does get it wrong, as seen from Mat's PoV.
Egwene is more Padme (Natalie Portman) in Phantom Menace. A 14 year old elected Queen (one of George's weirder ideas) with that earnest, well-meaning uppity-naivete that is simultaneously sweet and terrifying. Gawyn also suits as Anakin - ninja psychopath incapable of empathy or self-analysis.

Gawyn as Anakin is funny because it's so true. ;) As for Egwene and Padme, I haven't seen tPM in ages... but annoying as Egwene can be, and tiresome as her PoV gets, she's rarely naive.
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Semirhage and Egwene redqueen - 04/12/2009 02:31:45 PM 2097 Views
I agree with all of that. nossy - 04/12/2009 02:58:48 PM 1331 Views
Re: I agree with all of that. *NM* Sidious - 04/12/2009 03:22:49 PM 654 Views
Re: I agree with all of that. nossy - 04/12/2009 03:29:46 PM 1298 Views
Re: I agree with all of that. Sidious - 04/12/2009 03:33:03 PM 1315 Views
Re: I agree with all of that. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 04/12/2009 04:13:55 PM 1161 Views
The entire cast is full of Perfect Sues and Stuarts (I may have just made latter up) RugbyPlayingAshaman - 04/12/2009 03:14:27 PM 1362 Views
If you plan to write that review before the last two books are out, you better get re-reading now. *NM* Insomdeon - 04/12/2009 03:20:31 PM 603 Views
I'm actually pretty comfortable with it! RugbyPlayingAshaman - 04/12/2009 04:12:32 PM 1258 Views
Re: I'm actually pretty comfortable with it! darius_sedai - 04/12/2009 06:50:10 PM 1280 Views
about Semirhage Sidious - 04/12/2009 03:21:32 PM 1671 Views
but nossy - 04/12/2009 03:26:29 PM 1215 Views
Re: but Sidious - 04/12/2009 03:35:52 PM 1237 Views
Re: but nossy - 04/12/2009 03:46:00 PM 1352 Views
Re: but Sidious - 04/12/2009 03:51:03 PM 1270 Views
Cadsuane is rather close to perfect herself. Legolas - 04/12/2009 08:37:21 PM 1399 Views
Re: but TaskmasterJack - 04/12/2009 05:04:12 PM 1225 Views
Re: but WAV - 04/12/2009 05:41:51 PM 1265 Views
She was never THAT person. Wotmaniac Reborn - 06/12/2009 01:22:39 AM 1210 Views
Never WHAT person? nossy - 06/12/2009 10:21:43 PM 1250 Views
I'm not sure I agree Sidious - 08/12/2009 12:54:43 PM 1076 Views
I agree! RugbyPlayingAshaman - 04/12/2009 04:31:24 PM 1173 Views
Re: about Semirhage redqueen - 04/12/2009 08:16:15 PM 1266 Views
Alas, Semirhage was actually an idiot Etzel - 04/12/2009 05:03:48 PM 1361 Views
Re: Alas, Semirhage was actually an idiot darius_sedai - 04/12/2009 06:42:41 PM 1272 Views
If one compares the characters... Etzel - 05/12/2009 11:24:16 AM 1147 Views
Did I miss Rand's marriage ceremonies? I always thought the three girls only bonded him *NM* Voscaia Sedai - 05/12/2009 11:27:36 AM 589 Views
You are right... Etzel - 05/12/2009 12:21:59 PM 1217 Views
I disagree darius_sedai - 05/12/2009 05:11:28 PM 1191 Views
Egwene had the best mix of teachers and a desire to learn. Most believable, IMO. *NM* fionwe1987 - 04/12/2009 10:17:56 PM 618 Views
That's really nonsense Etzel - 05/12/2009 11:13:20 AM 1137 Views
I think your perception is very skewed darius_sedai - 05/12/2009 05:16:46 PM 1215 Views
Agreed Sidious - 05/12/2009 06:15:46 PM 1222 Views
Bull! fionwe1987 - 06/12/2009 02:55:13 AM 1216 Views
Rabbit! BlackAdder - 06/12/2009 04:14:10 AM 1136 Views
Re: Alas, Semirhage was actually an idiot Sidious - 05/12/2009 06:11:40 PM 1180 Views
Indeed darius_sedai - 05/12/2009 06:30:39 PM 1259 Views
And yet Egwene is still a fool regarding Gawyn. Lord Haart - 04/12/2009 05:44:49 PM 1286 Views
Gawyn is a fool all of his own redqueen - 04/12/2009 08:02:10 PM 1242 Views
Re: Gawyn is a fool all of his own Lord Haart - 05/12/2009 05:54:11 AM 1125 Views
Please stop - your use of logic here is sickening! BlackAdder - 06/12/2009 04:43:31 AM 1181 Views
I disagree with most of that rAndy aL - 05/12/2009 10:58:12 AM 1263 Views
Egwene has a long way to go ... Abunderment - 05/12/2009 06:16:31 PM 1294 Views
Hardly a blunder Nameless Ashaman - 06/12/2009 01:43:54 AM 1204 Views
Re: Hardly a blunder? Send Egwene back to Silviana. Abunderment - 07/12/2009 04:03:08 PM 1245 Views
Or she her rescue forced her hand. She lost her advantage darius_sedai - 07/12/2009 04:47:56 PM 1082 Views
She lost her advantage?!? Siuan probably saved her life Abunderment - 09/12/2009 11:57:26 AM 1225 Views
darius_sedai - 09/12/2009 03:24:34 PM 1236 Views
She should have attacked when they first arrived Nameless Ashaman - 07/12/2009 09:35:33 PM 1113 Views
Don't damn me, damn Graendal Abunderment - 09/12/2009 12:51:18 PM 1151 Views
Re: Don't damn me, damn Graendal Nameless Ashaman - 09/12/2009 06:11:53 PM 1346 Views
A couple of points darius_sedai - 09/12/2009 07:11:18 PM 1249 Views
Yes, the Aes Sedai need to rediscover the meaning of "servants of all" *NM* BlackAdder - 06/12/2009 05:03:19 AM 1259 Views
I'm re-reading the series now for the first time in years. Egwene has always been a weak character. Master Radishes - 07/12/2009 01:12:15 AM 1179 Views
LOL *NM* Sidious - 07/12/2009 04:29:56 AM 526 Views
I think you'll find few people who agree with you on both of those counts... Legolas - 07/12/2009 01:53:58 PM 1237 Views
Not at all. Master Radishes - 07/12/2009 03:20:38 PM 1144 Views
Irritating teen spirits ... Abunderment - 07/12/2009 04:32:51 PM 1257 Views
As long as the bags were Louis Vuitton all would be fine *NM* darius_sedai - 07/12/2009 04:51:13 PM 642 Views
You must not have been reading the same series I have. Legolas - 07/12/2009 10:33:23 PM 1374 Views
Re: You must not have been reading the same series I have. Abunderment - 09/12/2009 01:12:56 PM 1145 Views
Re: You must not have been reading the same series I have. Legolas - 09/12/2009 02:59:04 PM 1356 Views
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