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Fair Enough. The Name With No Man Send a noteboard - 08/12/2009 07:02:04 PM
Jordan is shallow. That doesn't keep him from being a fun read. I like eating McDonald's from time to time, but it's still crap. I am not changing my mind.

I am also not going to attempt to give you a crash course in Semitic and Sumerian linguistics. The proto-Semitic root L-Y-L is not the basis of the word "Lilith" and if you can't grasp that the root has the same essential meaning as the primary word derived from that root, I can't help you. I own the Sumerian Lexicon but I am not going to teach you how Sumerian works just to explain that you're not reading it right, or that Inanna (and Nanna, for that manner) are different from Enlil and Ninlil, and that Lilith is separate from both.

I have work to get back to. I've made my point.

We're each entitled to our opinions of Jordan's work. I'm leery of equating words from later languages with those from earlier proto-languages precisely because simply looking or sounding the same doesn't make them identical, and two such examples will often have radically different meanings. That's probably why whoever put together the Wikipedia article included both the "night" and "wind" translations, though the role the wind demons in question played was an exclusively nocturnal one so it may not make much difference in the end.

Meanwhile, you've told me what the "itud" element appended to the "lil" one isn't, but not what it is, and if we're to discuss lilitu demons it seems only right to consider both elements rather than the first only. Hence I consulted an online version of the work you own, which seems to say plainly and clearly that the association is "moon." You dispute this on the basis of your own scholarship and sources, which is perfectly fine, but it also implies you know what it means instead, something you haven't deigned to share, so I think I can be forgiven for accepting the only meaning so far offered by anyone, however hotly disputed. I might be skeptical if you tell me black is white, but if you simply tell me black isn't black, well, what would you conclude in my place?
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