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Re: You must not have been reading the same series I have. Legolas Send a noteboard - 09/12/2009 02:59:04 PM
They all benefit from the pattern. Elayne could have died many times in her battle for the Crown, and seemed to use Min's viewing as a statement "I cannot die." CF Clare, who has similar certainty. Each assumption is probably wrong.

She's probably right in that, actually. But admittedly, she's brave to the point of recklessness, which can be disastrous for a queen in certain circumstances.
Elayne does not strike me as bright. She is better educated than most, and this helps. But knowledge is not intelligence. She certainly tries hard, means well and gets there in the end. But she is no Moiraine.

She seems to pick things up rather rapidly, and other than some things to which her privileged education has blinded her, is perceptive and quick to puzzle things out. Seems rather bright to me. Of course, the way RJ writes, nearly all characters seem to have a gift for observing people, catching subtle non-verbal reactions, and the like, and tend to interpret those correctly except when misled by completely wrong assumptions or information (e.g. Perrin's and Faile's reactions to Morgase early on).
And the whole "Rand cannot give me the Lion Throne" is a bit much. Firstly, whoever gets it does so because of him. He got rid of Rahvin. Secondly, TG is coming, so it seems like fiddling when Rome is about to burn.

Yeah, you would think that Rand's personal friends at least would rank TG and his fight as high or higher in their priority list than their personal business, but none of them seem to. Then again, it's sometimes justified: if the Andorans believe that Rand gave Elayne the throne, it makes it all but impossible for her to have her country united and pacified in time to fight in TG. Egwene's focus on reuniting the Tower is also rather justified, considering how many problems originated in the split (her wanting to be queen of the world and insisting on "guiding" rather than supporting Rand is a different story, of course).
Still, I do love her. All the more in HP's body. The point being that even the DO himself in HP would be fine by me. (In your case, DO in Galadriel? I can do that too.)

*lol* No surprise there. :P
Padme is very switched on. Naivete comes from believing that the enemy follows rules. In SW, all that "Imperial senate" blabber while the Sith rapidly sets the galaxy upon itself. I see Egwene's views on Gawyn, Rand, Siuan as naive and risky.

I'll grant you Gawyn, but then the girl hasn't exactly had much romantic experience, give her a break. ;) Her views on Rand are not what they should be, and do irritate me, but naive? It's not naive to think the Tower should lead the Dragon or that Rand would allow it, so much as it is arrogant and self-centered. As for Siuan, I'm not sure what you're talking about...
Also, Padme is a genuine warrior, as is Egwene. Elayne-Clare (E-Clare?) are effective, but not stellar.

Fair enough.
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Semirhage and Egwene redqueen - 04/12/2009 02:31:45 PM 1906 Views
I agree with all of that. nossy - 04/12/2009 02:58:48 PM 1151 Views
Re: I agree with all of that. *NM* Sidious - 04/12/2009 03:22:49 PM 556 Views
Re: I agree with all of that. nossy - 04/12/2009 03:29:46 PM 1102 Views
Re: I agree with all of that. Sidious - 04/12/2009 03:33:03 PM 1104 Views
Re: I agree with all of that. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 04/12/2009 04:13:55 PM 980 Views
The entire cast is full of Perfect Sues and Stuarts (I may have just made latter up) RugbyPlayingAshaman - 04/12/2009 03:14:27 PM 1142 Views
If you plan to write that review before the last two books are out, you better get re-reading now. *NM* Insomdeon - 04/12/2009 03:20:31 PM 501 Views
I'm actually pretty comfortable with it! RugbyPlayingAshaman - 04/12/2009 04:12:32 PM 1075 Views
Re: I'm actually pretty comfortable with it! darius_sedai - 04/12/2009 06:50:10 PM 1077 Views
about Semirhage Sidious - 04/12/2009 03:21:32 PM 1474 Views
but nossy - 04/12/2009 03:26:29 PM 1032 Views
Re: but Sidious - 04/12/2009 03:35:52 PM 1035 Views
Re: but nossy - 04/12/2009 03:46:00 PM 1149 Views
Re: but Sidious - 04/12/2009 03:51:03 PM 1070 Views
Cadsuane is rather close to perfect herself. Legolas - 04/12/2009 08:37:21 PM 1202 Views
Re: but TaskmasterJack - 04/12/2009 05:04:12 PM 1031 Views
Re: but WAV - 04/12/2009 05:41:51 PM 1081 Views
She was never THAT person. Wotmaniac Reborn - 06/12/2009 01:22:39 AM 1006 Views
Never WHAT person? nossy - 06/12/2009 10:21:43 PM 1058 Views
I'm not sure I agree Sidious - 08/12/2009 12:54:43 PM 894 Views
I agree! RugbyPlayingAshaman - 04/12/2009 04:31:24 PM 997 Views
Re: about Semirhage redqueen - 04/12/2009 08:16:15 PM 1041 Views
Alas, Semirhage was actually an idiot Etzel - 04/12/2009 05:03:48 PM 1171 Views
Re: Alas, Semirhage was actually an idiot darius_sedai - 04/12/2009 06:42:41 PM 1064 Views
If one compares the characters... Etzel - 05/12/2009 11:24:16 AM 960 Views
Did I miss Rand's marriage ceremonies? I always thought the three girls only bonded him *NM* Voscaia Sedai - 05/12/2009 11:27:36 AM 491 Views
You are right... Etzel - 05/12/2009 12:21:59 PM 1032 Views
I disagree darius_sedai - 05/12/2009 05:11:28 PM 994 Views
Egwene had the best mix of teachers and a desire to learn. Most believable, IMO. *NM* fionwe1987 - 04/12/2009 10:17:56 PM 507 Views
That's really nonsense Etzel - 05/12/2009 11:13:20 AM 949 Views
I think your perception is very skewed darius_sedai - 05/12/2009 05:16:46 PM 1018 Views
Agreed Sidious - 05/12/2009 06:15:46 PM 1019 Views
Bull! fionwe1987 - 06/12/2009 02:55:13 AM 1007 Views
Rabbit! BlackAdder - 06/12/2009 04:14:10 AM 944 Views
Re: Alas, Semirhage was actually an idiot Sidious - 05/12/2009 06:11:40 PM 988 Views
Indeed darius_sedai - 05/12/2009 06:30:39 PM 1060 Views
And yet Egwene is still a fool regarding Gawyn. Lord Haart - 04/12/2009 05:44:49 PM 1089 Views
Gawyn is a fool all of his own redqueen - 04/12/2009 08:02:10 PM 1045 Views
Re: Gawyn is a fool all of his own Lord Haart - 05/12/2009 05:54:11 AM 947 Views
Please stop - your use of logic here is sickening! BlackAdder - 06/12/2009 04:43:31 AM 1000 Views
I disagree with most of that rAndy aL - 05/12/2009 10:58:12 AM 1061 Views
Egwene has a long way to go ... Abunderment - 05/12/2009 06:16:31 PM 1101 Views
Hardly a blunder Nameless Ashaman - 06/12/2009 01:43:54 AM 992 Views
Re: Hardly a blunder? Send Egwene back to Silviana. Abunderment - 07/12/2009 04:03:08 PM 1023 Views
Or she her rescue forced her hand. She lost her advantage darius_sedai - 07/12/2009 04:47:56 PM 895 Views
She lost her advantage?!? Siuan probably saved her life Abunderment - 09/12/2009 11:57:26 AM 999 Views
darius_sedai - 09/12/2009 03:24:34 PM 1050 Views
She should have attacked when they first arrived Nameless Ashaman - 07/12/2009 09:35:33 PM 923 Views
Don't damn me, damn Graendal Abunderment - 09/12/2009 12:51:18 PM 956 Views
Re: Don't damn me, damn Graendal Nameless Ashaman - 09/12/2009 06:11:53 PM 1145 Views
A couple of points darius_sedai - 09/12/2009 07:11:18 PM 1012 Views
Yes, the Aes Sedai need to rediscover the meaning of "servants of all" *NM* BlackAdder - 06/12/2009 05:03:19 AM 1028 Views
I'm re-reading the series now for the first time in years. Egwene has always been a weak character. Master Radishes - 07/12/2009 01:12:15 AM 991 Views
LOL *NM* Sidious - 07/12/2009 04:29:56 AM 427 Views
I think you'll find few people who agree with you on both of those counts... Legolas - 07/12/2009 01:53:58 PM 1036 Views
Not at all. Master Radishes - 07/12/2009 03:20:38 PM 944 Views
Irritating teen spirits ... Abunderment - 07/12/2009 04:32:51 PM 1043 Views
As long as the bags were Louis Vuitton all would be fine *NM* darius_sedai - 07/12/2009 04:51:13 PM 548 Views
You must not have been reading the same series I have. Legolas - 07/12/2009 10:33:23 PM 1130 Views
Re: You must not have been reading the same series I have. Abunderment - 09/12/2009 01:12:56 PM 953 Views
Re: You must not have been reading the same series I have. Legolas - 09/12/2009 02:59:04 PM 1164 Views
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