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I'll respond to someone who wants to say that beetnemesis Send a noteboard - 11/12/2009 05:19:52 PM
Pre-emptively, heh.

he had trouble writing realistic bad guys. Someone's going to reply to me saying "but the bad guys having flaws is realistic."


Everyone has flaws. However, an effective villain (or antagonist) should have flaws that don't negate the sense of dread/fear/whatever we get from him.

So, Darth Vader still remains a scary badass, even though he gave Luke a hug at the end. However, Anakin in the prequel trilogy is a joke, because all he does is whine about sand and his girlfriend.

For a WoT example, let's take Padan Fain. He is crazy. We've seen him at his worst, gibbering in a cell, and at his most powerful... and he's amazing in both. In the cell he's weak, but still threatening. When he's manipulating nobles, he's powerful and suave, but his POVs show us that he's still a crazy sonofabitch.

Now, I'm not saying Fain is a perfect villain, but he's definitely better than the Forsaken.



tl; dr: Flaws just have to make you human, not lame!
I amuse myself.
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Two idiot Forsaken in the Prologue Sidious - 10/12/2009 04:31:10 PM 1845 Views
Oh you are being unfair! darius_sedai - 10/12/2009 04:49:31 PM 964 Views
LOL. Are you implying Mesaana killed Asmodean? *NM* Logain - 10/12/2009 07:13:27 PM 385 Views
That would be a funny twist, but in reality I think we all know darius_sedai - 10/12/2009 08:10:16 PM 921 Views
Yes; this pretty much matched my expectations - esp. for Demandred. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 10/12/2009 04:56:32 PM 968 Views
Mesaana was motivated out of... Logain - 10/12/2009 07:16:43 PM 882 Views
Ah, then she would be more of an idiot than I thought. 2nd Rate indeed. *NM* RugbyPlayingAshaman - 10/12/2009 08:19:05 PM 373 Views
Re: Yes; this pretty much matched my expectations - esp. for Demandred. Sidious - 11/12/2009 06:47:43 AM 971 Views
But BS said that Shaidar Haran couldn't do things in the physical world without aid. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 11/12/2009 03:20:59 PM 873 Views
I think that just proves SH isn't gay! *NM* fionwe1987 - 11/12/2009 04:07:47 PM 383 Views
Or it could just prove darius_sedai - 11/12/2009 05:42:33 PM 781 Views
Re: Or it could just prove RugbyPlayingAshaman - 11/12/2009 07:00:57 PM 762 Views
I agree, but I think it's about the DO being totally random darius_sedai - 11/12/2009 07:07:17 PM 836 Views
Did he say he could not touch things, or that he just could not counter uber-channeling? Datakim - 12/12/2009 12:30:40 AM 797 Views
I don't ever want to find out who Demandred is Deadsy - 11/12/2009 02:47:58 PM 764 Views
Imagine how bad it would be if BlackAdder - 11/12/2009 11:22:56 PM 785 Views
I would say... Etzel - 10/12/2009 04:58:15 PM 872 Views
he hasn't really done anything lankyevilme - 10/12/2009 05:25:03 PM 865 Views
But the point is valid darius_sedai - 10/12/2009 05:32:12 PM 980 Views
I'm pretty sure he did something... Etzel - 10/12/2009 05:33:04 PM 875 Views
Re: I'm pretty sure he did something... darius_sedai - 10/12/2009 07:51:25 PM 745 Views
Yeah, but now Graendal is dead, while Demandred is still alive. *NM* Etzel - 10/12/2009 08:29:24 PM 774 Views
Re: Yeah, but now Graendal is dead, while Demandred is still alive. *NM* darius_sedai - 11/12/2009 12:17:54 AM 743 Views
I tend to agree Sidious - 11/12/2009 06:52:51 AM 1020 Views
I think Demandred is pretty smart... Etzel - 11/12/2009 11:45:58 AM 807 Views
of course he's never set foot anywhere close to anything long enough darius_sedai - 11/12/2009 02:11:19 PM 790 Views
Is it smart to take a risk... Etzel - 11/12/2009 02:22:18 PM 753 Views
I think your making a lot of assumptions darius_sedai - 11/12/2009 05:40:47 PM 773 Views
Well... Etzel - 11/12/2009 06:04:47 PM 806 Views
Re: Well... darius_sedai - 11/12/2009 07:15:06 PM 938 Views
I agree that Demandred will fail in the end. Etzel - 12/12/2009 11:00:59 AM 775 Views
Either a Channeler or Mat darius_sedai - 12/12/2009 03:41:09 PM 675 Views
According to RJ... Sidious - 12/12/2009 12:32:12 PM 868 Views
makes you wonder darius_sedai - 12/12/2009 03:39:08 PM 786 Views
Re: makes you wonder Etzel - 12/12/2009 03:47:18 PM 771 Views
Thanks for the BS quote, that's new news to me! darius_sedai - 12/12/2009 03:55:37 PM 752 Views
Moridin didn't want to betrayal Sammael... Etzel - 12/12/2009 04:07:49 PM 707 Views
It amounts to the same thing darius_sedai - 12/12/2009 04:12:42 PM 775 Views
Then you could also say... Etzel - 12/12/2009 04:22:30 PM 697 Views
no actually you cannot darius_sedai - 12/12/2009 04:46:03 PM 716 Views
Ah, I give up... Etzel - 12/12/2009 04:50:07 PM 737 Views
thanks for your permission darius_sedai - 12/12/2009 04:53:01 PM 745 Views
To be fair, Mesaana's brood of channelers promise could still come to fruition. *NM* RandAllThor - 10/12/2009 04:58:28 PM 394 Views
Yup, especially if she is a higher-up AS in the tower. Lord Haart - 10/12/2009 05:57:12 PM 832 Views
Sanderson's first attempt at portraying the Forsaken based on character summaries in RJ's notes... Shannow - 10/12/2009 05:29:51 PM 954 Views
Well... Sidious - 11/12/2009 06:55:17 AM 816 Views
That was RJ's biggest flaw, IMO Deadsy - 11/12/2009 02:45:41 PM 865 Views
I'll respond to someone who wants to say that beetnemesis - 11/12/2009 05:19:52 PM 876 Views
Ya. Fain's a good exception. I still have hopes for him. And... Thereva was scary, but... Deadsy - 11/12/2009 08:32:38 PM 766 Views
Slayer/Luc/Isam is also pretty cool. Lord Haart - 12/12/2009 04:16:14 PM 763 Views
One theme of tGS was "The Forsaken are actually pretty lame" beetnemesis - 11/12/2009 05:12:55 PM 819 Views
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